Billionaire donors? Bernie massively outspent him. It didn't matter. Voters turned out for Biden en masse.
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Billionaire donors? Bernie massively outspent him. It didn't matter. Voters turned out for Biden en masse.
I've said this before but if it's Biden he's got my vote.
That said, some of you leaning in hard at people who are clearly venting need to wind back the sanctimonious rhetoric and remember two things:
In voting for Biden WE are enabling a plutocratic duopoly that is rigged to rob us of choice. Yes, we're going to do it anyways because Trump is a fucking monster and four more years of this lunatic will probably collapse the republic entirely but we are still giving the oligarchy exactly what it wants.
In voting for Biden we are supporting a centrist asshole who will – among many other things – allow Israel to continue its war crimes largely unfettered and flex American muscle via drones and plenty of Muslim casualties.
What fucking sucks is that such blood is on our hands yet if we don't vote Biden, Trump's violence and injustice will be worse.
It's a sad thing to have to choose between a horrible person and a less horrible person knowing that either choice is going to lead to deaths, suffering and misery.
My advice – and feel free to ignore it – is to lay off the accusations and lectures and let people mourn. If Biden wins, I'm certain most of these same people will swallow the lump down and vote for him come November.
Because if I can vote for Hillary and Biden, anyone can.
That said, some of you leaning in hard at people who are clearly venting need to wind back the sanctimonious rhetoric and remember two things:
In voting for Biden WE are enabling a plutocratic duopoly that is rigged to rob us of choice. Yes, we're going to do it anyways because Trump is a fucking monster and four more years of this lunatic will probably collapse the republic entirely but we are still giving the oligarchy exactly what it wants.
In voting for Biden we are supporting a centrist asshole who will – among many other things – allow Israel to continue its war crimes largely unfettered and flex American muscle via drones and plenty of Muslim casualties.
What fucking sucks is that such blood is on our hands yet if we don't vote Biden, Trump's violence and injustice will be worse.
It's a sad thing to have to choose between a horrible person and a less horrible person knowing that either choice is going to lead to deaths, suffering and misery.
My advice – and feel free to ignore it – is to lay off the accusations and lectures and let people mourn. If Biden wins, I'm certain most of these same people will swallow the lump down and vote for him come November.
Because if I can vote for Hillary and Biden, anyone can.
Historically he has been to the right of Obama, but Bernie helped shift Dems so much in 2016 that he's looking like this now. Hopefully he's actually committed if he wins.
It's definitely his job to do that I agree, but doesn't change my opinion that if you're not voting Biden in November it probably means you're fairly confident you can ride out 4 more years of Trump. A Trump presidency is literally a gun to the head for many vulnerable groups in this country, not so much others. Biden was like my 4th choice going into this race (After Warren, Castro, Harris) but here we are and it's not like I'm particularly excited by his candidacy but here we are.
LOL that doesn't even make sense. Bernie wasn't able to convince the other supposed left candidate to fall in line behind him when almost the entire center lane fell into line behind his opponent.
Speaking as a bernie supporter...
Based on my understanding(correct me if I'm wrong), there has not been a major change in turnout of young people, independents, and traditional non-voters. I understand it's been decent all around, the reliable young voters that are showing up have favored bernie, those voters are very diverse...but these theoretical paradigm-shifting new young voters and non-voters are not showing up in new numbers.
So either this coalition of new passion among young people and non-voters doesn't exist, or they can't be bothered to actually show up at the polls. Either way, that means Bernie's probably not gonna win, and probably shouldn't win. Now, there's all kinds of reasons we can discuss and analyze about why young people aren't showing up and the various ways the system may disadvantage them, but regardless, the end result remains.
And if you're a passionate young Bernie supporter who didn't/won't show up at the polls, and tonight's trend continues in the upcoming races, you really, REALLY have no one to blame but yourself. Certainly not Elizabeth Warren.
Young people absolutely can, and still could, change the face of American politics. And I'm talking bigger picture stuff than rather Biden or Bernie is the 2020 dem nominee. But no amount of online passion, no amount of disillusionment, no amount of eagerness to fundamentally change the system matters, if ya'll won't show up. Or, you know, revolt, I guess, but if that's not scheduled for this month, young people who want major change need to be at the polls.
Based on my understanding(correct me if I'm wrong), there has not been a major change in turnout of young people, independents, and traditional non-voters. I understand it's been decent all around, the reliable young voters that are showing up have favored bernie, those voters are very diverse...but these theoretical paradigm-shifting new young voters and non-voters are not showing up in new numbers.
So either this coalition of new passion among young people and non-voters doesn't exist, or they can't be bothered to actually show up at the polls. Either way, that means Bernie's probably not gonna win, and probably shouldn't win. Now, there's all kinds of reasons we can discuss and analyze about why young people aren't showing up and the various ways the system may disadvantage them, but regardless, the end result remains.
And if you're a passionate young Bernie supporter who didn't/won't show up at the polls, and tonight's trend continues in the upcoming races, you really, REALLY have no one to blame but yourself. Certainly not Elizabeth Warren.
Young people absolutely can, and still could, change the face of American politics. And I'm talking bigger picture stuff than rather Biden or Bernie is the 2020 dem nominee. But no amount of online passion, no amount of disillusionment, no amount of eagerness to fundamentally change the system matters, if ya'll won't show up. Or, you know, revolt, I guess, but if that's not scheduled for this month, young people who want major change need to be at the polls.
No, sorry, the people and the children in camps do not deserve to fucking be there. God damn it we have a responsibility to those people.
Biden is a distant maybe seventh place as far as my preferences go but I think you hardcore Bernie people should find a way to come around on it. If only because he won't be as big on caging people and appointing judges who will overturn Roe vs Wade. At least if you live in a state where your vote matters. We still have to live in this world. If you're in a super blue state, you can find a third party and throw in a protest vote.
I don't know if the numbers have changed, but Sanders not carrying a single county/district in Massachusetts -- one of the most progressive states in the country -- is significant. He had a rally in Boston this weekend that had tens of thousands of people. Warren carried her county immediately around Boston, and with good reason she lives there and she's been a very good senator for the state, but every other county in Massachusetts went for Biden, including Worcester County which has a the largest urban working class population in New England behind Boston.
We don't get the final breakdown until tomorrow, but that was the case a couple hours ago.
We don't get the final breakdown until tomorrow, but that was the case a couple hours ago.
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Stop, for once, can we say it was the candidate and not some conspiracy. I swear hardcore Bernie and Trump supporters have one thing in common, its never his fault, ever.
Texas rn
Its suddenly Biden 30% and Bernie 28.8% with 62.8% counted.
lmao this is pure delusion. Some of you guys jesus christ ...
Biden was literally carried by the press. He spent almost nothing. It's hard to know where Sanders stands if he is given similar press and not constantly painted as a crazy person by his own side. So it's a difficult hypothetical.
If you're all going to keep lobbing grenades and attacking the Dems more than the GOP and Trump you can keep your "progress"
What? This is delusional. Look at turnout and who is turning out here.
How does not voting address? When was M4A on Trump's agenda?
Bernies got good margins with latin@s, but not as good margins as Biden has with AAs. Not to mention it's looking like if Bloomberg had dropped, that margin wouldn't be so big but Warren wouldn't help with AAs.
I have zero faith in that. Biden is 100% the promise one thing but as soon as you are in power say "we looked into it and it's not actually feasible, sorry we tried".
I honestly think he will to try to recapture some of the 2008/2012 enthusiasm from black voters.
I don't really like Biden much. He's an absolutely terrible campaigner, and I don't have a lot of confidence in him beating Trump.
But holy shit I will vote for him in November against Trump and be proud to do it.
Hopefully Obama makes himself the face of Biden's campaign, that might give him an edge. And Biden can just kind of hide in the shadows until the election and we all remember "oh yeah, we're voting for Biden and not Obama."
But holy shit I will vote for him in November against Trump and be proud to do it.
Hopefully Obama makes himself the face of Biden's campaign, that might give him an edge. And Biden can just kind of hide in the shadows until the election and we all remember "oh yeah, we're voting for Biden and not Obama."
suddenly i'm a hardcore Bernie supporter? what else do you know about me, Mr. Arrogant Bastard?
I honestly think at this point most of Warren's supporters would break towards Biden and not Bernie. Or at least a pretty large chunk of them.
It's funny because in order to be a coup, Bernie would have to already hold the position that they're all running for.
What are you talking about? Biden coverage was very negative between Iowa and SC. That was SATURDAY. Bernie had that entire time being the front runner.
This make no sense at all.
Good post. Too bad people making condescending posts and being fucking jerks won't listen.
That you are reaching for a conspiracy theory instead of finding fault in the campaign of the person you supported. He drastically under preformed nationwide; its his fault.
I am very sad and very disappointed in my fellow people. I'll vote for whoever I have to in the general, but it's still a real a bummer to see Bernie's lack of success today. I thought we might finally be there (even though I knew we probably weren't).
Can I just say fuck our two party system in the first place that has evolved to always bring it down to Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich? If you want to vote outside the mainstream, especially in national elections, you're viewed as a bad guy by the very people you are most likely to agree with (and probably rightfully so - anyone is better than Trump, full stop). But that's not right man.
Eugh. Yucky feelings.
Anyway, eye on the prize everybody, whoever it is we gotta get Trump out, everyone is 100% right about that.
Can I just say fuck our two party system in the first place that has evolved to always bring it down to Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich? If you want to vote outside the mainstream, especially in national elections, you're viewed as a bad guy by the very people you are most likely to agree with (and probably rightfully so - anyone is better than Trump, full stop). But that's not right man.
Eugh. Yucky feelings.
Anyway, eye on the prize everybody, whoever it is we gotta get Trump out, everyone is 100% right about that.
It wasn't. I don't even know his message. I just believe he can consolidate the Democratic base and left leaning independents better than Sanders. When it no longer looked like Warren could win I only cared about removing Trump from office.
yeah Biden is gaining ground, Harris Co leading for Biden is a clear signal
This election season is going to be a never ending number of Biden gaffes, him forgetting where he is, the people around him, etc. He's going to look and be portrayed as an old feeble man in the same way he was exposed during the Democratic debates. As soon as the spotlight is on him he's going to crumble.
This is true.
It was also true of Sanders aiming for primary voters.
I wonder what 538's models are showing now. I bet Biden has a much higher chance to get to the required 1991 delegates than not to
Bernie is getting his ass kicked. You should head back to bed.
What's sad is that there's been the fearmongering of the DNC stealing this primary from Bernie at the convention and that being the big boogeyman... this, what's happening all across the country tonight, is a result of numerous coalitions coalescing around Biden and Bernie's coalitions not showing up for him. And instead of respecting democracy and people's votes, what we're seeing instead is a lot of selfishness and privilege from people who really don't give a fuck about those they proclaim to give a fuck about if they're willing to abstain from voting and help get Trump re-elected in the general election.
Biden has been pronounced dead by the media for weeks. He's had no money and was outspent by Bernie by over 2:1.
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