He won't. He will ignore them like the establishment always has.
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Seriously, if people fall for this shit again like in 2016 we deserve to lose
Both you and I know it was a lot more complex than us not having a visibly "united" front.
Here are three key reasons.
1. His platform is progressive (not as much as Warren or Bernie) but far more progressive than Obama and more progressive than people on here seem to understand...he's not a let's go backwards candidate.
2. SCOTUS...a 7-2 Supreme Court is so devastating.
3. Trump...
if none of these motivate you to go out and vote blue in the fall I don't know what else to say...
The return to Obama era policies on Social, economy, environment, etc., and from there slow progress, is better than brutal regression at the hands of fascists.
Biden as the nom is "not ideal".
Trump as President for 4 more years is a fucking nightmare.
It's true to some extent, but disinterest/apathy is a bigger issue imo.
As someone who loves political history, it'll go down as one of those stories that dumb idiots like me bring up every four years. "But But but but don't forget the 2020 Democratic primary when...."
Given the main "attack" on Biden is literally fiction pulled from thin air, I'm not sure why you believe Sanders would not have the most tangible bullshit turned into a "scandal".
Also...ads about being against bussing? Are you suggesting Trump is going to run pro-bussing ads?
Hilarious. The powers that be are the ones responsible for her not quitting after the first 5% of the country had voted.
The. Powers. That. Be.
Conspiracy drivel. She was totally in her right to not fucking quit after 5% of the country voted. She was in a massively better position for Super Tuesday than the other 3 candidates that dropped out since SC.
Literally the only time he's been hit on a debate stage (never on ads, mind you) it was a huge boost to the person that hit him until she walked it back.
described the statistical reality of a split progressive vote? damn thats rough
I'll vote for Bidet if that's the only alternative to Trump, but something gotta give going forward. Dems clearly have no real interest in properly backing and investint in a progressive candidate.
liz "i love capitalism" warren propping up corperations? Never!
Voters... are complicated...
There is a serious education problem in america.
What good are Bernie's policies if he can't get them through Congress? This is my problem with him. He doesn't have a history of working with people or passing any major legislation. Why do people believe that Dems and Repubs would go along with things like M4A, which would literally lead to millions of people losing their jobs across multiple states? That's why Biden calls his policies pie in the sky. Anyone can just say what they want to do, but unless there's a path to actually getting it done, you're ultimately just saying things that sound good and that's about it.
Bernie has always had an uphill battle here. Things looked great up until SC, but A LOT of voters just want someone who's going to win, and these past couple of days have shown to many of those voters that Biden is that guy. The media breathed a sigh of relief when Biden won SC by as large of a margin as he did, then the coordinated Pete/Klobuchar drop outs and endorsements — overcoming that kind of narrative was going to be a monumental task.
There are people deciding who to vote for WHILE THEY ARE IN LINE. Policy doesn't matter to a portion of the base, they just want things to go back to 'normal,' without really interrogating what that actually means for what comes next.
Turnout does, thankfully, look really promising for November. But I just don't see how we have time for policies that are anything less than what Sanders proposes. 40,000 people die a year due to lack of access to healthcare. And if we don't do something serious and drastic about climate change ASAP, seems like there's a good chance none of this is really going to matter.
I'll vote for Biden in the GE if it comes down to it, because he at least acknowledges climate change. Hell, he may even have a great climate plan that he plagiarized from somewhere. But I'm incredibly concerned about the republican that comes after that, because these moderate democrats are clearly not working well enough for this country when it leads us to W in 2000, and now Trump. The next guy might end up being competent.
There are people deciding who to vote for WHILE THEY ARE IN LINE. Policy doesn't matter to a portion of the base, they just want things to go back to 'normal,' without really interrogating what that actually means for what comes next.
Turnout does, thankfully, look really promising for November. But I just don't see how we have time for policies that are anything less than what Sanders proposes. 40,000 people die a year due to lack of access to healthcare. And if we don't do something serious and drastic about climate change ASAP, seems like there's a good chance none of this is really going to matter.
I'll vote for Biden in the GE if it comes down to it, because he at least acknowledges climate change. Hell, he may even have a great climate plan that he plagiarized from somewhere. But I'm incredibly concerned about the republican that comes after that, because these moderate democrats are clearly not working well enough for this country when it leads us to W in 2000, and now Trump. The next guy might end up being competent.
It's weird, he was just recently telling a story about getting arrested in South Africa while going to visit Nelson Mandela that his campaign had to go back on because it wasn't true, and outside of certain circles there's barely been a peep about it. Seems messed up.
No. We don't deserve another four years of Trump. We need to fight him, not each other.
we'll definitely have an easier time inspiring change from the entire under 30 population of the USA than we will in changing the mind of one senator
BINGO!
Or they like the rebelliousness of Trump since he goes against authority. The youth aren't some children in white cotton robes emitting from light. They are 18 year olds who want to swipe beer, get laid, and drive awesome cars and live in mansions.
That makes zero sense. He got all that attention AFTER destroying in SC. Until then he was painted as struggling and under-performing. Bernie was the front runner.
And even if this were the case, how is Bernie not even more susceptible to this?
Oh I know, but complexity is completely lost in forums.
Its no different from people claiming that Hillary lost because she wasn't progressive enough, despite having absolutely 0 evidence to support it.
The republicans are against bussing, that doesn't not make it a line of attack. There will be ads about how Trump is best for black people with clips of biden being racist.
He is more progressive then people seem to understand cause no one will give a single fucking example. It's all "just read his website". Everyone knows what Trump stands for. Everyone knows what Warren stands for. Everyone knows with Bernie. Best thing people can tell me is read his website.
And sure you can say he is more progressive then people think yet his track record says the opposite.
It's absolutely over. The remainder of the map is awful for Bernie. Plus Bloomberg will drop out tomorrow, and likely not only endorse Biden, but bankroll him.
Is Trump going to address those issues, do you even need a magic 8 ball to answer that?
Joe Biden doesn't represent actual change for me or my family. Why would you think that he's owed my vote? I find this whole line of thought baffling. It's not my job to fall in line behind the Dem nominee. It's his job to sell himself and his policies to me.
Beto getting Whataburger in Texas with Biden last night was the game changer. Sanders should have eaten a half gallon of blue bell to offset that but he didn't
But they're so engaged on Twitter so I don't think there's that must disinterest and apathy.
He has tacitly already said that; he is in for anyone that isn't Bernie.
That's fair. There were too many variables working against us in 2016 for any single one to be the definitive factor. 2016 overall was not a great year for me and many people.
Amy and Pete dropping out to endorse Biden is pure politics. A coalescence to stop Bernie more than anything. Biden just happened be the old establishment candidate in the best position to get the nod.
Bernie's always had an uphill battle. I don't really think there's much more he could've done here while remaining true to his beliefs.
How is staying home to re-elect Trump going to do better for those communities?
Or maybe people aren't single issue voters on that issue specifically?
So? You can't change people's attitudes over a candidate they clearly didnt like. People arent obligated to vote for people on a fake plastered smile just to make you feel good about it.
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I disagree, I just don't think Bernie Sanders was the right candidate. Nothing was super wrong with the ideas. It was the guy delivering them, he just wasn't as relatable in the way he explained his core principles as say an Obama. It was the same stump speech every time. I kinda started to tune it out myself after awhile.
Bloomberg is the reason Biden didn't run away with it.
But all that talk is hypothetical anyways. Bloomberg voters could have split between Klob and Butti which may have enticed them to stay in the race.
I will continue to push a progressive every election; but today the nation showed us that all we want is just a return to what we had before.
But there is still a fire out there hungry for change.
But there is still a fire out there hungry for change.
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