Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)

[FreshYoungDoggo]

Warren split the progressive vote, she hasn't won a single state and polls below both candidates.
She absolutely should have dropped out and consolidated the progressive vote by endorsing Bernie, the candidate that was actually winning states.
Not even going into all the two faced shit she has been doing this election cycle that is more than enough reason to look at her with disdain.

 

[Volimar]

That's not the same considering that both Warren and Sanders are both Progressive Democrats. Its a sensible take since 2 moderates dropped and consolidated votes with Biden

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You're forgetting who makes up Warren's support. People should stop treating her followers as if they're ALL or even for certain mostly Sanders #2.

 

[grand]

Without the SuperPAC money I expect Warren will drop out this week, but I still think enough of her support goes to Biden that it's not a boon for Sanders.

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Yeah. It's not so much who dropped out that hurt Sanders as much as it was how many. The more people who drop out, the more likely it was that the remaining candidates would reach the 15% threshold in more districts (when previously only Sanders was comfortably in the area). Even Warren dropping wasn't gonna stop this result as Sanders needed more candidates to stay in the race past Super Tuesday.

 

[Infinity Times Two]

Fundamentally, yes.

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Ugh. I guess Bernie will keep fighting tooth and nail like in 2016, but damn...

 

[Rats]

Really we are insulting the intelligence of Elizabeth Warren now becuase Bernie couldn't bring in enough votes?

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Could be because she's been eating shit, has had no viable path to nomination yet continues to waste her supporters' money and time.

 

[Steel]

I feel like I always see this dude calling things prematurely. Some context here?

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Biden is winning in the biggest counties with a lot of the vote in those counties outstanding.

 

[Ashodin]

It's pretty damning if Bernie can only pick up CA tonight.

 

[Cyanity]

This thread is going to be fun to look back at when Bernie ends up winning this whole thing. Premature panic

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This post is going to be fun to look back at when the 2016 primaries repeat themselves

 

[Sleepyhead86]

Harris County here. Voted Bernie, but everyone at work was pretty much in on Biden.

Will be voting for whoever is on the Democrat ticket come November.

I got a really bad feeling "but Biden's Son" is going to be the new "but her emails" shtick from last time.

 

[Morrigan]

So I just got home and I hear Bernie is in trouble and Warren got crushed?

Liz please drop out and endorse Bernie ._.

 

[Addie]

Bloomer in CA too. Wow.

 

[Skyball Paint]

You guys will vote just like old people are voting now. All the moderates voting for Biden were probably hippies in the 60s.

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If that happens I hope the next generation will push me up against the wall and shoot me

 

[PlanetSmasher]

You're forgetting who makes up Warren's support. People should stop treating her followers as if they're ALL or even for certain mostly Sanders #2.

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Pretty much. I'm a Warren voter and I'm not changing my vote to Bernie if she drops out.

if trump wins, we might have AOC after 4 years, so there's that... we'll see what happens

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I really wouldn't count on this happening. Dooming the country to four more years of Trump just so some young gun progressive has a shot in 2024 seems like a bad plan for everyone.

 

[Armadilo]

if trump wins, we might have AOC after 4 years, so there's that... we'll see what happens

 

[JeTmAn]

Are any of these states winner take all for delegates, or how do the splits work?

 

[ArkkAngel007]

the man buys a fuckton of ads

you basically can't go a commercial break without seeing Bloomberg's face on the goddamn screen

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That would explain my confusion. Haven't watched any prime/day time cable in a month and haven't received any targeted political ads on any services.

 

[Deleted member 23212]

I'm not even a Democrat and I feel disheartened by the results, despite even already thinking Biden would win.

 

[Vestal]

I feel like I always see this dude calling things prematurely. Some context here?

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Harris county same day vote.. Biden was behind in Harris with early vote, now that same day vote is coming in he is running up the score there. Same in Dallas.. Biggest concentration of voters in the state outside of Austin.

 

[BadAss2961]

Blaming Warren for Bernie's disappointing night is a bad look. He has to EARN those votes.

Also, you should all be thanking your lucky stars that Warren basically KO'd Bloomberg because we'd likely be staring that potential down rather than Biden right now.

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Did Biden EARN his votes? Two of the biggest candidates in the race up and dropped their campaigns to endorse him, pushing him to this performance.

Hate to put pressure on Liz, but it's too bad Bernie didn't get any such help of his own.

 

[Septimus Prime]

Those youth numbers in CA are INSANE

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I would say we don't fuck around, but there are people voting for Warren.

 

[Fat4all]

biden being up 4 points in harris co is kinda nuts to see happen

 

[OfficerRob]

To all those blaming Warren for "hurting" Bernie, are you thanking Bloomberg for keeping this as close as it is? Bloomberg is doing much better than Warren is tonight

 

[Kidgalactus]

...smh I just don't understand.

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He's been aggressively targeting older black people. My mother in law lives with us, and gets anew mailer from him every weekday

 

[Deleted member 4346]

Can someone please clarify to me how Biden addresses race issues more than Sanders? Like examples of specific platform items?

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That's not his appeal to older black voters. It's the Obama connection and the idea that he's a "safe choice". As a people we have the most to lose so "he's not Trump/can beat Trump" plays well to our parents and grandparents. I personally think it's madness to look at the history of black people in America and say "this is fundamentally okay" but that's just me.

 

[mugurumakensei]

Warren split the progressive vote, she hasn't won a single state and polls below both candidates.
She absolutely should have dropped out and consolidated the progressive vote by endorsing Bernie, the candidate that was actually winning states.
Not even going into all the two faced shit she has been doing this election cycle that is more than enough reason to look at her with disdain.

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Once again, Warrens biggest supporters are in the same group as the biggest of Biden's supporters and Bloomberg is spoiling Biden's chances more than Warren is spoiling Bernie's. Don't blame others for Bernie's failures.

 

[dots]

There are *still* people in line to vote in TX. Bodes well for November.

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No it doesn't. This is voter suppression. They'll make sure Democrats can't vote in the general.

 

[learning]

As generations get older they get stuck in their ways, sure, but many millennials have learned that being self-centered to the point of destroying the future of everyone younger than them appears to be specifically unique to the only generation in human history that consumed more resources as it aged. That's going to color a lot of the experience, views, and values.

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Nah

 

[Big Baybee]

silver lining hopefully our futures dont look like dogshit as soon as people my age are old enough to be the majority of voters

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My takeaway from this is that 18-29 makes up only 14% of voters.

 

[MechanicalWall]

Warren's not necessarily responsible for Bernie's performance tonight.

She is, however, hilariously delusional and is grifting at this point.

 

[Morrigan]

Pretty much. I'm a Warren voter and I'm not changing my vote to Bernie if she drops out.

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Why not?

 

[Xx 720]

So I just got home and I hear Bernie is in trouble and Warren got crushed?

Liz please drop out and endorse Bernie ._.

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She lost her own state but is asking for donations, she makes me sick

 

[BlastProcessing]

Oh, of course. I completely agree with you.

It's every candidate's job to, you know, attract voters.

Bernie should've been attempting to court likely Warren or lean Warren voters from Day One.

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I never understand why candidates are so reticent to more against candidates that are in the same lane as they are.

 

[PhotonicBrain]

So, when do the infinite investigations into the Biden's start? After the nom, or when there's too many bodies from the coronavirus to distract from. Anyone taking bets?

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Nevermind; I know my own answer. A week before the general election!

We are so fucked.

 

[Double 0]

Warren split the progressive vote, she hasn't won a single state and polls below both candidates.
She absolutely should have dropped out and consolidated the progressive vote by endorsing Bernie, the candidate that was actually winning states.
Not even going into all the two faced shit she has been doing this election cycle that is more than enough reason to look at her with disdain.

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Bernie would have still gotten his shit kicked in. If anything, Warren being around did more damage to Bloomberg.

 

[Vestal]

I'm done.

won't be paying attention to anything going forward. Including the GE

Whether it's Trump or Biden nothing at all will change

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..... These posts... JFC....

Its the NOW NOW I WANT EVERYTHING now... a Biden presidency moves the needle closer to more progressive policies. Change takes time.

 

[Deleted member 45211]

DNC primary rules are set up for failure in the general. I mean, it's not entirely their fault because the electoral college means that urban votes get severely discounted, but it is their fault because it's been trending more and more in that direction for 20 years and they haven't considered adjusting anything.

Also I don't drink, but I think I'll have to start come November.

 

[Steel]

My takeaway from this is that 18-29 makes up only 14% of voters.

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Which is actually lower than other states so far...

 

[jakomocha]

You're forgetting who makes up Warren's support. People should stop treating her followers as if they're ALL or even for certain mostly Sanders #2.

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It's hard to comprehend why a Warren supporter's second choice wouldn't be Bernie considering his political views align way closer to hers than any other candidate

 

[Richiek]

Blaming Warren for Bernie's disappointing night is a bad look. He has to EARN those votes.

Also, you should all be thanking your lucky stars that Warren basically KO'd Bloomberg because we'd likely be staring that potential down rather than Biden right now.

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This right here. Bloomberg is an infinitely worse candidate than Biden

 

[ChaosXVI]

Well, it's not over yet. If Bernie can stick it to Biden hard in the next debate, Illinois goes 2 days later, a fairly big prize. It's not over yet, if Bernie can keep Biden's lead to 100 or less by the time all of tonight's votes are counted. Still, it's not looking good.

For the record, I'd vote for Biden in the general but I really wanted Bernie to make it this time...

 

[MechanicalWall]

Really we are insulting the intelligence of Elizabeth Warren now becuase Bernie couldn't bring in enough votes?

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No, she's very intelligent. She knows EXACTLY what she's doing.

 

[Barzul]

I'm done.

won't be paying attention to anything going forward. Including the GE

Whether it's Trump or Biden nothing at all will change

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Dreamers won't be getting deported in a Biden presidency that's for sure. But yeah nothing changes.

 

[Scuffed]

I'm done.

won't be paying attention to anything going forward. Including the GE

Whether it's Trump or Biden nothing at all will change

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Oh it would certainly be better with Biden BUT he won't beat Trump. The public has largely acclimated to Trump's idiocy and Biden is a bore and won't excite the base at all. The only hope would be massive Trump hate and it's just not there anymore, it should be but it isn't. Of course there is a virus problem and the election might just hang on how that plays out.

 

[TaterTots]

If Biden does get the nomination, everyone still needs to vote. Do we really want Trump picking another judge?

 

[Morrigan]

My vote for "extremely unsuper" seems vindicated :(

 

[eyeball_kid]

It's been clear that she hasn't been a viable contender for quite some time.

So yes, the most charitable lens here is one where Warren (or her campaign) has terrible political instincts.

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That's simply untrue. The Biden surge -- which no one expected -- is stealing votes from Warren, you saw this in Mass. for instance. It was always going to be a squeaker, but she was counting on a three-way contested convention.

Why she's going to continue on? As a Warren supporter I really don't know, but she's smart af and so she must have some card to play. My guess is that she's probably hoping for a VP or cabinet pick where she can try to have some progressive influence in a Biden admin.

 

[BlastProcessing]

DNC primary rules are set up for failure in the general. I mean, it's not entirely their fault because the electoral college means that urban votes get severely discounted, but it is their fault because it's been trending more and more in that direction for 20 years.

Also I don't drink, but I think I'll have to start come November.

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How so? What do you think should change?

 

[PlanetSmasher]

Why not?

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Because I don't believe in him, I don't think he can win, and I don't think he can accomplish even a fraction of what he wants to. I want a Democratic coalition that consolidates and builds a structure of lasting power and change, not a lone progressive screaming at a hostile Congress for not siding with him for four straight years while accomplishing very little.

Essentially, I don't want Antimatter Trump.

 

[Tfritz]

Did Biden EARN his votes? Two of the biggest candidates in the race up and dropped their campaigns to endorse him, pushing him to this performance.

Hate to put pressure on Liz, but it's too bad Bernie didn't get any such help of his own.

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given that biden seems to be turning out first time voters at a higher rate than bernie, it seems like he did earn those votes.

 

[discotheque]

My vote for "extremely unsuper" seems vindicated :(

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same