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...smh I just don't understand.

It's real easy.

Black people want to win. Sanders doesn't look like a guy who's going to beat Trump. Biden does (and he will). Bloomberg, who is an utter piece of shit, at least projects the combativeness that on the surface level many black voters would think is needed to tangle with Trump.

Meanwhile, Bernie's a guy with the same stump speech and a disinterest in engaging with black voters at any significant level besides.
 

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I think a big reason a lot of people (Bernie supporters) are acting as if the sky is falling is because they wanted a dominant performance. It looks like going into the next primaries it will be basically tied and Sanders will have to make his case in a 1 on 1 battle.
 

Zen Hero

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I voted for Bernie and am not a huge fan of Biden, but Biden showing strength here is at least a good sign for the general I think. Giving me more confidence that he can win against Trump.
 

Hoa

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Looks like we came through in Colorado.

It's real easy.

Black people want to win. Sanders doesn't look like a guy who's going to beat Trump. Biden does (and he will). Bloomberg, who is an utter piece of shit, at least projects the combativeness that on the surface level many black voters would think is needed to tangle with Trump.

Meanwhile, Bernie's a guy with the same stump speech and a disinterest in engaging with black voters at any significant level besides.

I'm black and voted for Bernie, so did many others. We all aren't the same. That's how shit goes sometimes.
 

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As previously discussed, he wants to remove Trump and reverse his policies, and he has a raft of other fairly standard Democratic policy proposals that he would like to enact. He's just not calling for Sanders' socialist revolution.
Sanders isn't even calling for socialist revolution, as there is no revolution nor socialism. And even those moderate policies are deemed too extreme by Biden.
 

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The point is that Bernie's brand of progressivism is insufficient and myopic. It's better than the status quo, which is enough for me to support his Presidential aspirations if indeed he won the nomination. But the reason he keeps getting dogwalked in these races is because there is not a large enough coalition built to be sustainable nationwide.

Again, what are you talking about?

Bernie's progressivism – which is pretty much the same as most progressive platforms – addresses a broad spectrum of systemic inequalities, including those most pressing to the future viability of this republic. His proposals – pie in the sky or no – aim to give a massive cross section of Americans who have been languishing for literal decades genuine upward mobility including healthcare, free college, living wages, better opportunities for unionization, etc.

Bernie's policies and platform are anything but myopic and they are certainly more than the one-dimensional classism arguments you suggest, though to be clear the income gap, grossly uneven distribution of wealth and the continued stratification of the social hierarchy predicated on income is most assuredly a very serious and pressing issue.

And yes, of course there's more work to be done but your analysis of his platform is just bizarre. If anything, Bernie's biggest problem is that he's almost too consistent in his message and doesn't seem to much care about diplomacy and politics because he feels righteous in his cause.

And if your thesis about his progressivism is true, please explain why it was Bernie who galvanized a progressive movement and energized a bloc of voters that has continued to swell even after he lost in 2016?
 

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It's real easy.

Black people want to win. Sanders doesn't look like a guy who's going to beat Trump. Biden does (and he will). Bloomberg, who is an utter piece of shit, at least projects the combativeness that on the surface level many black voters would think is needed to tangle with Trump.

Meanwhile, Bernie's a guy with the same stump speech and a disinterest in engaging with black voters at any significant level besides.

Other than black people want to win, I don't really agree with anything you just said.
 

The Albatross

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Not really consequential, but Interesting observation:

Several states switched from caucuses to primaries after 2016. Expectedly, turnout shot up in those states. Unexpected, Bernie Sanders performed worse in 2020 than in 2016 in all four of those states.


In the wake of the Iowa Caucus there's been a lot written about how Caucuses are inherently undemocratic or unrepresentative, I think especially with the aftermath of Pete Buttigieg unexpectedly over-performing and tying Sanders in Iowa. On super tuesday, this narrative gets kinda flipped on its head.
 

UberTag

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This is a decent point. You're right.

Biden soundbites will be embarrassing with his base.
Trump soundbites will be a huge hit with his base.

That is a real concern for me.
These are legitimate concerns. It's in Biden's best interests to have as many other Democrats that aren't him to do the talking for him. Both during the campaign and if he's elected to the presidency.
 

Leona Lewis

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Alabama exits:

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It's clear why Doug Jones endorsed :-p
 
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