You are really discounting the near 30 year hate boner people had for anything Clinton vs the love boner for anything Obama.
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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But Biden says we can get it done if we try, but he also says it is pie in the sky.... hell he is just saying whatever sounds good.
Throwing people in jail for how they vote doesn't seem like a particularly just system.
a turd wearing a bow tie could crush Trump in debates, stop pretending like that even matters
Maybe you should direct this post at young voters instead of centrists.
it's not over yet.
It doesn't. See 2016 for proof.
To be blunt, anyone who thinks picking Biden will destroy our chance to win in November is either not looking at or not appreciating the turnout and demographics Biden has achieved tonight.
Like, today is just about the best evidence possible that Biden will beat Trump.
Like, today is just about the best evidence possible that Biden will beat Trump.
he was popular in the race against ted cruz because it really seemed like he could flip the state but, like, he's always been a centrist guy and policy wise he was never really that popular
it was more a hatred for ted cruz than a love for beto
hell, even the word 'Socialism' isn't the boogeyman word it used to be, it's trending up
that fuckin 'american dream' placement is the cherry on top
Complete lunacy...he may not be as progressive as you'd like...but he's in no way more conservative than Obama
Ugh....is Biden's campaign seriously going to be, "America is already great, nothing needs to fundamentally change except for Trump's admin!" ?
Well, I guess that'll help rich folks sleep comfortably.
a return to before isn't gonna get me to vote because what was there before was shit, people acting like everything was perfect before Trump must have some really different lives than mine
Julie Pace on Twitter
“BIG @AP race call WASHINGTON (AP) — Joe Biden wins Democratic presidential primary in Massachusetts, upsetting Elizabeth Warren in her home state.”
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Speaking only for myself, as a long-time anticapitalist, I just don't think Bernie can pull off even a shred of what he wants to accomplish. Why support him? Why throw my vote in a hole for another lame-duck that'll just get steamrolled by a hostile Congress?
It's clear my first choice (Warren) isn't getting the nom and may not even make it to my state primary, so at this point the only thing that matters to me is destroying Trump and crushing him to dust. I don't care how we accomplish that.
I still don't get why the two candidates would drop out ahead of a third candidate doing absolutely nothing. This was all DNC'd per usual. Biden's a shit candidate and Im so damn tired of centrist dems. The US needs an actual progressive candidate / party. Clearly that will never be the Dems. Surely Obama's going to be ready to throw his endorsement to Biden since it's "safe," now. Any day now. If he does win the nom, which it's hard going against the DNC, that would be the most annoying vote to cast but I'd rather vote a lesser shit candidate than Trump. ;(
Y'all need to stop with this. If you truly hate Trump you should vote for anyone going against him with a smile. I feel like these kinda
attitudes could lead to another Clinton situation. Where folks are like, "They both kinda suck. Why show up?"
judy was doing this on bloomberg's stage but you still got the gist.
Would be nice. AOC is already putting in work with attempting to elect like-minded colleagues. And she's also working within the party apparatus -- at least some of the way. She's savvy enough to know when it's safe to push.
I don't view her as president.
I do view her as a future Speaker of the House.
This is not a dig against her by any stretch of the imagination; it's actually a compliment to her potential longevity.
Which is a made up, non-existent story.
Don't do Trump's job for him, please. I don't care if your dumb-as-nuts cousin believes that "There's something about that Hunter Biden that I don't trust, makin money in Ukraine!!" -- don't gaslight made up far right conspiracy theories that are not based in fact. Even if "the guy who fills my tires thinks there's somethin suspicious about Boris-Ma gas," it's complete bull shit, don't give it credence.
If you told me turnout would be beating 2016 (and even 2008?) across the board by significant margins, I would have assumed the main beneficiary was the guy who was crowing about a revolution and activating nonvoters.
Instead it's boring ass Joe Biden.
2020.
Ivanka? Eric?
Lmao. Donald J. Trump Sr. would run in 2024 if he loses in 2020.
Guaranfuckingteed.
Lmao. Donald J. Trump Sr. would run in 2024 if he loses in 2020.
Guaranfuckingteed.
Biden not running in 2016 is why we're currently in this timeline.
Cant wait to see how two campaigns in the general running on keeping America great works out.
yeah, i just saw thatJulie Pace on Twitter
“BIG @AP race call WASHINGTON (AP) — Joe Biden wins Democratic presidential primary in Massachusetts, upsetting Elizabeth Warren in her home state.”
im kinda surprised it didn't just go to Biden, but Biden is comfortably leading, 7 points up from Bernie rn
I'm not. I'm saying that debate performances don't matter for Trump. People don't vote for trump because they appreciate his argumentative skills. The 2016 debates were largely just sports shit for people who were already decided and 2020 would be the same.
The point is it has nothing to do with Sanders or Biden. The party very publicly backs somebody with the force they did yesterday, and the voters want Trump to get the fuck out, they're going to vote for that person. There was no overcoming what happened yesterday.
That isn't really a good sign honestly. Making obvious mistakes is very easy to paint him as not mentally fit for the job which is an easy target for Trump. Trump may not say actual words sometimes but, he is capable of having a level of charisma when speaking that people think is a leadership quality. Biden tends to stumble a lot and go on tangents and lacks the charisma to make it seem like he was actually planning it that way
A lot of the older voters (Boomers and older Gen X'ers) are doing ok. They'd see their taxes go up in many cases and would rather not pay for this stuff for others. And they fundamentally believe in the system, maybe it needs tweaks but not an overhaul. These voters turned out today. Very unfortunate for the country.
it's pretty easy. people disliked hillary a fucking hell of a lot more than they do biden. especially in the midwest/pa, exactly the states trump pulled out to win. i don't think people understand just how hated she was in those places. and that won't happen this time.
biden will clean up in florida
Then who do you support?
Why do you feel so long that you responding to my posts that are specifically towards Biden supporters?
...have you seen the increase in total vote this cycle? Seems like bad analysis here.
All I care about is getting Trump out, and I'd rather count on old people and African Americans to come out for Biden than count on a wishy washy youth turnout for Bernie.
It's a message that seems to resonate well with the middle class too.
We're going with a pretty rancid turd, considering some of the results tonight.
Stop overestimating Trump. He died a death in the 2016 debates. They are not something he is good at.
I want all of that and yesterday
I also want to have a realistic path. Obamacare got gutted by the time it was passed and Sanders is doing a good job of alienating even his own party (to the extent he joined the Dems when he realized it was the only path to the presidency). He wouldn't be able to meaningfully cut the military budget with angry red-scare screaming Republicans which means even more debt.
If Sanders had just said "I want all of this. I am going to focus solely on M4A during my first term" I would be a lot more comfortable. Instead it continued to be "We are gonna get everything and all of my ostensible allies are dicking me over". Obviously he didn't say that, but his campaign kind of did and him not reining that in was a bad indication of him actually leading a government that primarily wants none of that.
It isn't about the platform not resonating. It is about it being too good to be true without any meaningful plan to accomplish it.
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