I'm sure Fox News would have shown restraint against the "socialist"...
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Well that bodes well if republicans are willing to vote for Biden.
Trump barely won in 2016, his base will not be as excited as they were in 2016 and whether going against Biden or Sanders, will be facing someone more popular by Hillary by default.
Stop freaking out. Think. Do research.
Candidates tend to stay in till the money runs out, so I expect her to be in it for a good while longer.
This is absolutely the easiest layup low-hanging fruit "excite the youth" policy change they need to make.
I live in California and I had to register as something. IIRC, "no party" was an option but you couldn't vote if that was chosen. It's been a long time.
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No Party Preference Information :: California Secretary of State
Find information about No Party Preference in California here.www.sos.ca.gov
lol. Yea I just looked it up as well. I live in TN and you don't have to be registered to a party to vote in primaries. Explains why I haven't heard of it.
But you're doing this to defend someone explicitly saying that there isn't a silver lining.
Or he doesn't completely ignore the Midwest like Hillary did in 2016.
I think we were actually fucked from the get go.
The hope was that Sanders could energize enough people to become the nom. That didn't happen.
Now Biden is the nominee and he is a punching bag on so many levels for Trump. I would have taken Pete over Biden to be completely honest.
With Biden as the nominee we are going to lose to Trump, not because of Bernie or Busters who don't even vote but because Trump will depress swing voters enough with the endless Burisma memes.
People really don't want it proven that that's what it was all about in the end. That it wasn't an ideological issue. If Biden ends up winning in a general, this is what the truth was.
Well said. I'm a Bernie supporter and even donated to his campaign, but I will vote for Biden if it comes down to it because I recognize he is still a
far better option than Trump.
Not to mention Sanders wouldn't have been able to implement a bunch of his policies anyway because he wouldn't have the support of congress.
For a long time I thought anyone could beat Trump but I actually don't think Biden can. He got so much mainstream press for the Dem campaign but that will vanish during the general as it all goes to Trump's flamboyant idiocy. I don't know I think he's too boring to excite and Trump outrage has kind of peaked so I don't think hate for him will be enough. I don't know I'm kinda bummed thinking Trump has this if Biden wins. I hope I'm really wrong.
That's been happening all over because the new voters are R->D suburban converts for the most part.
Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million and won only through a slim electoral college win.
To do that he would have had to moderate all his policies and just become Biden Lite. At that point what's even the point?
uh... 2016 was decided by a few states with thin margins. Yes Trump won, but not by some insurmountable lead.
Just got done voting for Bernie here in California.
But like I've said, if Biden wins the nom then I'm voting for Biden.
But like I've said, if Biden wins the nom then I'm voting for Biden.
Saying Biden has "no shot" against Trump seems delusional. Like straight up living in a bubble.
Honestly that's the best thing I can hope for; move to a progressive state and hope that when Republicans control the federal government they don't try to kneecap states' rights.
Though if Trump wins and gets more SC picks, it might not matter regardless if they're constantly shooting down progressive legislation that states pass when said legislation inevitably gets challenged in court.
Ironic how we sound like Republicans now, championing states' rights.
It makes me sad that people who don't even live here can process and understand this, but residents cannot.
Great post.
Why would you take out California?
Take out Texas. Take out Florida. Take out New York. It's meaningless.
To be fair it was better for them because they didn't have an older generation that completely fucked them over.
Looks like Biden's getting the nomination without any Superdelegate fuckery.
Which at least makes me feel.... kind of ok, even if I'm extremely disappointed overall.
Maybe a progressive candidate will be viable in my lifetime, maybe not. Pretty depressing.
Which at least makes me feel.... kind of ok, even if I'm extremely disappointed overall.
Maybe a progressive candidate will be viable in my lifetime, maybe not. Pretty depressing.
Yeah we forgot that he lost by three million votes and squeaked by in swing state after swing state. He's an incumbent so it's going to be tougher I'd say, but come on now.
When I saw 538's forecast I had a feeling bernie would not crush biden in Minnesota
I think one thing far, FAR too many people are forgetting about is that, despite their differences in platforms and policies, as theoretical potential Presidential Candidates, a President Biden and a President Sanders would be functionally identical.
Remember, when your best case scenario nonetheless relies on people like Hickenlooper getting elected to the Senate, you ain't getting single-payer passed.
It just ain't happening.
Obviously they have difference in platforms z but the net result would be the same due to stuff like that. Sanders more radical proposals wouldn't have a chance in hell of getting passed Congress even if he gets the Presidency and we take back the Senate and the type of stuff he would be able to get passed would look pretty damn similar to what a President Biden would actually be able to get passed.
So even putting aside how terrible Trump is (which most certainly is not something that should IN ANY WAY be put aside, but nonetheless), when considering what they would each ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DO if elected President and how that would be largely similar due to, y'know, Congress and stuff, no matter how you feel about one or the other, no matter which one you like more or what your personal preferences would be, when you consider how in practice the result would be very largely similar if each were elected, I don't get the idea of being very willing to vote for one but potentially considering not even voting for the other, when their theoretical administrations would be 99% similar.
Remember, when your best case scenario nonetheless relies on people like Hickenlooper getting elected to the Senate, you ain't getting single-payer passed.
It just ain't happening.
Obviously they have difference in platforms z but the net result would be the same due to stuff like that. Sanders more radical proposals wouldn't have a chance in hell of getting passed Congress even if he gets the Presidency and we take back the Senate and the type of stuff he would be able to get passed would look pretty damn similar to what a President Biden would actually be able to get passed.
So even putting aside how terrible Trump is (which most certainly is not something that should IN ANY WAY be put aside, but nonetheless), when considering what they would each ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DO if elected President and how that would be largely similar due to, y'know, Congress and stuff, no matter how you feel about one or the other, no matter which one you like more or what your personal preferences would be, when you consider how in practice the result would be very largely similar if each were elected, I don't get the idea of being very willing to vote for one but potentially considering not even voting for the other, when their theoretical administrations would be 99% similar.
This is great news. If he gets Texas and Cali, doesn't he have a shot?
Maybe get off Era and ask them?
And that's not meant to be snark. I seriously am looking forward to reading analyses on this tomorrow that try to put this into context.
Biden eats shit over a manufactured Ukraine controversy, then in the very same week implores that he can work across the aisle with the party trying to sink him via that controversy.
I remain unconvinced that he can beat Trump, and I'm even more doubtful that he cares about achieving anything of significance as president. Man can't even stand up for himself, let alone the rest of us. Hillary Clinton was a more capable candidate.
But I guess I'm used to being dragged along to support "electable" candidates that inspire no one. Hope he doesn't fuck this up. Not too much, anyway.
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Centrists love it when progressives fail. Fuck centrists.
California Inflates Dems votes by a huge number. Trump had massive support.
The thing is, if people need to vent their frustration with looking around and seeing nobody who represents them and their ideals, they should be able to. Constantly being met with mockery is shitty for people who already feel disenfranchised and seemingly hopeless that there's more middle America than true progressives. There's just always going to be more people comfortable with things "returning to normal" instead of a promised "revolution", whatever that entails.
Also, though, once you're done being pissed off, you still have to get out there and vote because we're up against an absolute dismal human being in Trump. Voting on status quo and stability isn't exciting in any capacity but fuck Trump and fuck Republicans and the continued horrors they will cause.
Also, though, once you're done being pissed off, you still have to get out there and vote because we're up against an absolute dismal human being in Trump. Voting on status quo and stability isn't exciting in any capacity but fuck Trump and fuck Republicans and the continued horrors they will cause.
Which is a powerful element of winning people over (fortunately or unfortunately.)
Got an uncle who's worked in advertising his whole life who lamented about how hard it is to cast that kind of guy. Go too far and he's a sexual tyrannosaurus who makes people feel he's out of their league. Don't go far enough and people slink away.
People who haven't been following the debates and speeches and are just voting for Biden on name recognition are in for a surprise when they actually see the dude on stage Cornpopping it up, Mack.
It depends entirely on the margins of all the states which is still unknown.
People said that about Hillary and Kerry.
I still want to know where his inspired base is coming from?
I think people are naive if they don't think suburban and moderate voters in the key states can't be divided and swift boated/"her emails" once again.
You need some sect that is inspired and is less likely to be suppressed by the Republican bullshit, Biden lacks that an I'm worried.
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