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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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I made that comment because some news outlets are acting like its shocking Biden is taking southern states. Should have specified that.
You're completely omitting Hunter and Ukraine which is the main point Trump will drive on.
If Sanders loses the primary I'm convinced the progressive wing needs to just wait for the boomers to die off. Biden is not the future of the party and everyone knows it.
Yup. One of the biggest issues with his previous campaign and not enough progress was made there.
This has kinda been obvious even with Warren in the race. Young people - Bernie's biggest demographic - rarely show up to vote.
lol Starting to? Bernie never should have. He should have just gone with "progressive".
Bernie did fix his biggest problem. He brought in more diversity to the campaign and the ground game was strong.
IMO the problem isn't with the campaign. The simple fact is the young voters that he tried to court did not turn out.
Isn't Beto angling for the VP spot?
They should knife fight at the convention.
lmao. Why doesn't Bernie just try and form a new party ala Teddy Roosevelt.
I think the story of the night is Bernie made a huge strategic mistake and should have been camping out in black communities since 2016. Biden isn't great on minority issues, but being Obama's guy gives him a pass with Black voters.
You can't lose 66% of the black vote and be the Dem nominee.
You can't lose 66% of the black vote and be the Dem nominee.
I get Trump not wanting to debate Bernie, but I don't see why he'd refuse one against Biden. Even 2020 Trump could rinse Grandpa Simpson in a debate.
I do want to wait until everything comes in, but based on what we see so far the youth vote isn't turning out for him in the primaries. Hell he's doing worse in his own state overall compared to 2016.
At some point you gotta look at that and ask why.
More younger voters came out then older voters actually...
Gen Z, Millennials and Gen X outvoted older generations in 2018 midterms
Midterm voter turnout reached a modern high in 2018, and Generation Z, Millennials and Generation X accounted for a narrow majority of those voters
www.pewresearch.org
So yes, they need the youth vote.
Trump/Biden debates are going to be insane. Biden is going to try to out alpha Trump on the debate stage and probably embarrass himself. I wouldn't be shocked if Biden did one of those "friendly face slaps" on Trump lol
That plus it's just unlikely to be caused by yet another old white dude. Young people want to be inspired, they want change. Expecting an 70+ year old white man to inspire them to come out in droves is unrealistic.
He's a democratic socialist, hardly the same thing.
But that does proove your point though, americans have a very poor understanding of what actual socialism is.
Then the problem is with his campaign. And getting curbstomped by Biden with regards to black voters in the south, JUST LIKE last time tells me that no, he fixed fuck all with his campaign...
Biden isn't perfect, but he is
yup. he's relatively likable, brings good African-American support, should be strong in the midwest. He has a shot.
yup. he's relatively likable, brings good African-American support, should be strong in the midwest. He has a shot.
Disappointed in NC. But this is democracy so... Oh fucking well.
But while we're at it, I will list the things that a Biden presidency will assure we do NOT get.
no medicare for all
no marijuana legalization
no college debt forgiveness programs
no green new deal
nothing will change for the rich (his words paraphrased, not mine.)
the military industrial complex will remain the monster that it is
So, there. But if I'm trying to be optimistic...
No more Trump (maybe)
we'll be able to protect the supreme court for 4 more years
we'll be able to have more time to flip the senate and the rest blue
we'll have to try for a progressive candidate again another time.
But while we're at it, I will list the things that a Biden presidency will assure we do NOT get.
no medicare for all
no marijuana legalization
no college debt forgiveness programs
no green new deal
nothing will change for the rich (his words paraphrased, not mine.)
the military industrial complex will remain the monster that it is
So, there. But if I'm trying to be optimistic...
No more Trump (maybe)
we'll be able to protect the supreme court for 4 more years
we'll be able to have more time to flip the senate and the rest blue
we'll have to try for a progressive candidate again another time.
The dirty trick of totally writing him off after the first two races? Spamming coverage of Pete, Bloomberg, and Amy? Like, what dirty tricks are you referring to, specifically?
yes, biden's mental acuity is even worse than trump's as compared to hillary in 2016
This isn't panning out. Biden appears to be getting 2018 midterm voters, which carried Dems to the House. If he gets that type of activity, he likely wins.
Bernie has failed to significantly expand his base and drive the youth vote. They're too unreliable to count on. Dems rode the suburbs to victory in 2018, not the youth vote. Now of course the suburb vote could just as easily break for Trump. But he's never done especially well there and many people there just hate him. Biden will also need to keep or at least improve the minority vote too, which will be a challenge.
Except... based on the usual turnout of youth voters, you don't need any real uptick from them. Democrats have been getting massive gains in the suburban swings from 2016 -> 2018 and they are now showing up in 2020.
Lol AOC is just as angry and polarizing as Bernie.
I know no one here wants to believe it but hate him or not Pete is the solution to convincing moderates to go progressive. It's not as exciting as going all the way with the Bern, but progress is not always through the exciting solution.
Biden loves Pete. If he defeats Trump I'm hoping he can convince him into progressive solutions involving Healthcare and Climate
Would progressives accept Biden-Warren if it is offered? Or is she tainted for not folding to Bernie?
I am honestly terrified with the prospect of any of the potential nominees in the general. There's just so many ways it could play out.
Yeah, I edited it because I realized it sounded too combative. Is that OK with you?
While I admire her dedication to her campaign, there is essentially no path to victory for her. After SC it was clear that this is the Biden v Bernie show. The moderates saw this and dropped out to endorse Biden. Warren didn't do the same to endorse Bernie.
This is negatively affecting the candidate who will carry out policy that closely overlaps with her.
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