Then maybe his idea of the revolution might happen, but I don't think Hillary had that many offices. The dems are much better at the "fall in line" thing now than they used to.
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Then maybe his idea of the revolution might happen, but I don't think Hillary had that many offices. The dems are much better at the "fall in line" thing now than they used to.
Ehhh, months and months of Burisma and Hunter Biden leading every newscast is going to sink him.
I would like to point out and this is something that 538 noted, that the polls out today showing a sudden surge toward Biden are low quality, online only, high margin of error polls taken over a period of about 1 day. All of the movement towards Biden over the last 24 hours or so in the polls are based on results from one polling company using these low quality methods to get voter preference data. There just wasn't enough time between SC and Super Tuesday to conduct highly reliable polls, so we are left with mostly online polling data from little known pollsters.
it's a primary. voting for who I think would make the best president.
Will support whoever wins the General. As they as they beat Trump, which is what the shared goal should still be. We can keep shifting left next time. If we lose, that 'next time' gets impossibly further away. Just think of what Trump will do to the courts. My god, let's still focused.
Let's go Warren!
That's not incorrect but at the same time these polls are scientific and usually pretty close to what happens. Polling is typically conducted on likely voters, not just random people. Not to mention the people who vote in a primary are usually the most passionate and most informed parts of the electorate.
Regardless, it you're able to vote today you should and please vote for Bernie :P
I still voted Warren. I'm extremely unhappy with both of the other choices for very different reasons.
I'm not really saying it's a ploy, but it's not a secret most of the democratic party doesn't like Bernie because of what he stands and strives for.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I guess it was inevitable. I just didn't expect most of them doing this at the same to counter attack Bernie on Super Tuesday.
It's unfortunate that we have to deal with this in 2020.
:'(
Who are you to make this claim, exactly? That's just how it is. It's part of the problem of having such a big tent.
Beto talked about telling his son he'd vote for Biden and his son saying then he should endorse him. Is he a liar? Did some shady figure at the DNC call him and forced him to endorse (even though most people really weren't even thinking about Beto at all at this juncture and it's unlikely his endorsement ends up meaning much)?
Tried getting one of my friends to go, he's on the whole conspiracy that none of it matters and its rigged. Bothers me to no end.
Hmm, is today more of a Return Trip or Funeralopolis kind of day re: which Electric Wizard song to play on infinite repeat as we watch the world end?
A large number of people die every year from not having healthcare and Biden doesn't want to do a single fucking thing about it.
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Black is the only minority that matters, apparently.
Why do you think Biden doesn't care about healthcare reform when he has openly talked about a public option from day one
Seems to be a very strange thing to say given... the very easily accessible information on candidates.
I voted for Warren in MA because I think she is the best presidential candidate. I think Bernard would also be a good president, but I prefer Warren, therefore I voted for her.
I'm not dangling black voters here. I'm stating why Biden is in the position he's in now. Voters flailed around with other options than Bernie then S.C. came along and black voters overwhelmingly said "this one," and that was that.
They could have gone with someone else, and if they did the ball game would be completely different.
Biden and his supporters want me to drown in medical debt while the billionaires who he promised nothing will change for continue to go about killing poor people for fun. And he's ready to let the planet die.
For working class people, for trans people, and for people with chronic medical conditions, we need free universal health care now. It's literally a matter of life and death.
Is it a controversial take to say that I don't think "Vote Blue No Matter Who" is a good foundation for an energized voting populace? At this point it feels more like the affirming the powerlessness of those feeling disillusioned with the process and abandoned by the Democratic party.
For a moment it looked like we might have a collective realization at how hollow and cynical a catchphrase it was back when we were all panicking over Bloomberg, but then he got stomped and we were all spared that uncomfortable reflection.
For a moment it looked like we might have a collective realization at how hollow and cynical a catchphrase it was back when we were all panicking over Bloomberg, but then he got stomped and we were all spared that uncomfortable reflection.
If you were driven by Warren's progressive policies, then Bernie is the only realistic choice right now to possibly win not only the nomination, but also in the GE (Warren strugggles to beat trump in the popular vote)
You can vote for whoever you want to, but I think it's poor political calculus to vote for Warren right now, if you believed in her policies and goals.
You can vote for whoever you want to, but I think it's poor political calculus to vote for Warren right now, if you believed in her policies and goals.
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I don't think black voters are beyond reproach for their ballot box behavior just because they're marginalized. Sorry, they're fucking up too.
It's either an empty promise that he'll never even try to implement, or it'll be implemented so badly that he might as well not have tried.
But hey diabetics dying in droves because they can't afford insulin is none of Joe's concern.
I hate to break it to you, but Europe and the rest of the world aren't great on this either. Far right nationalist parties are rising worldwide and the Brexit campaign was one of the most xenophobic things imaginable, based entirely on "those evil eastern Europeans and non-white people are gonna come steal your job and ruin your country".
I've gotten a few text messages from campaigns/groups urging me to vote today. I already voted by absentee a month ago but now I'm getting anxiety my ballot was lost. I have zero logical reason to believe this so naturally it's all I can think about.
538's tracking has Biden doing better than expected after SC. We'll see.
risky. if he ends up being the nominee that's all that will be talked about.
All polling shows Democrats hate Trump. That polling has been consistent, persistent, and clear since 2018. It has led to larger turnouts as well.
People told me that I was a necessary sacrifice because I had the gall to have a dying liver before their 10+ year plan called for it. So yeah, voting for someone who will not do anything about it would have killed me if complications arise and I run out of funds for it.
Probably because working towards and protecting a system that is actively killing us signifies that he does? Whether he realizes that or not doesn't matter much to the people it effects
I think it's an acknowledgement of how polarized we are and the tribalism that runs rampant in modern elections.
Because it's 100% correct. Please explain to me how the difference between Bernie and Biden is as significant as the difference between the average Democrat and average Republic.
You mean this ballot right here? <pats stack of staff ballots>
Isn't there some way you can check online?
I kinda think that's a fucked up thing to say but judgement isn't really the conversation. I was responding to someone talking about why Biden is in the spot he's in and I said it's because of the black vote in SC being so heavily lopsided to him.
This happens all the time. They don't check to see if you've already voted (doubt that info is public yet) and their info is usually from campaign data and your prior voter record.
The issue is that the entire reason Dems are in such a good position is because Trump is absolutely loathed in ways quite abnormal to a presidential incumbent. The economy has been doing well but even that hasn't been able to help his approvals, rather, it's kept the bottom from falling out of them.
Yep, we might be two or three cycles away from people wanting change. As long as boomers are still the largest voting bloc, its almost an impossible task.
Cnn exit polls.
65+ turnout was 19% in 2016, 27% this time.
18-29 was at 11% this time, and was a bit higher in 2016.
To me it seems like the majority of Democratic voters didn't learn from the last election. The more "it's my candidate or nothing" attitude and Trump will win again.
So you really don't think Biden want's to implement a public option, which is what the ACA was supposed to have if Lieberman wasn't in office and threatened a filibuster?
Again, none of this is remotely an attempt at some type of honest conversation. Has Biden dismissed the cost of insulin? Is that something I missed?
yeah those uppity poors worrying about not dying in this broken system. how quaint of them. they should just quiet down a bit and stop making such a ruckus.
There is a much bigger gulf between progressives and the centrists of the Democratic party than the centrists and, say, the Obama to Trump swing voters.
It's one thing to say something on the campaign trail. Going by Biden's record I have no faith that it will be a priority.
An expansion of the affordable care act, but there would likely still be co-pays and deductibles.
Thankfully nothing lasts for more than a few days anymore. Super Tuesday, what everyone is feeling right now, and this entire thread is going to feel like ancient history in a week.
Nothing wrong with falling in love with a candidate during the primary; just don't carry that mentality during the GE to the point where you won't vote or protest vote to give Trump a 2nd term.
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