So bullying and ostracizing people for their voting choice is a thing today?
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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So bullying and ostracizing people for their voting choice is a thing today?
I don't think the cessation of our policy of gargling Israel and Saudi Arabia's balls is going to be super unpopular, but maybe that's just me.
So we should just sit back and let them keep fucking over any chance we have to ever have a better country, got it.
So far, it has looked like Bernie doesn't "need" the youth to win only when there's a super divided field. We'll find out after today, though! If Bernie runs up huge margins today then he'll put the "electability" conversation on ice (which would be nice).
The only way to prove you can build a large coalition that will deliver votes is to build that coalition and deliver those votes.
As for the suburbs - there are a variety of data points to consult. Biden polls best with the older, "moderate" voters that populate the districts that flipped in 2018. Here in Virginia, for instance, (a) Biden is polling the strongest, (b) the districts that flipped in 2018 all did so with "moderate" candidates that appealed to embarrassed Republicans, (c) those new politicians, in turn, support Biden because their constituents are milquetoast suburban white people who work in the gov or military and are scared of ""'socialism""" or whatever.
Here are some examples of what I mean. A quote from the second link:
"That concern about Sanders in a historically moderate state was reflected in the poll, with 67 percent of respondents saying they are worried that the eventual party nominee might be "too liberal."
Like, I see more Bloomberg signs around than anything else, which should tell you something.
I was just adding to the discussion, apologies if I derailed anything.
obama was going to be the most progressive president ever. then he bailed out the banks...
honestly you put too much faith in centrists.
Biden literally said on Sunday that Americans want "results", not a "revolution". It seems pretty likely that he would compromise with McConnell and his ilk to get said results, regardless of how watered down or even shitty those results become in the process, but maybe Democrats will finally realize that the Republican party only cares about furthering their own interests and will stop bending over backwards to "work together" with them.
Fat chance.
Tower above your opponents tonight, Bernie. Tower above them like a great oak tree towers above the grass. Reach for the sky as the grass clings to the soil. We're the birds on your branches and we'll do our best to lift you up to the clouds. We all deserve better than the soil and we deserve someone who thinks so, too.
Where did I bully? If pointing out what Joe Biden has said and done during his career is bullying then what are we even doing here?
Biden has done real damage to people's lives. That actually matters.
You're essentially saying these black voters don't deserve a voice because they're voting wrong...
Well, yeah. Literally everyone in the race supports DC statehood and for Puerto Rico to vote itself into becoming a state(not sure about Bloomer, but what's the chance he actually wins). Which means all of them are arguing structural change. Plus side to statehood is that there are no dems that oppose it, so a simple majority with a busted filibuster can do it.
(Also, Pete has had all of these things at the center of his campaign all along).
what about his executive record
you know the branch of goverment he occupies
yeah, I mean, people are dying from lack of health care and are never moving out of their parent's houses because of student debt, but lets not get angry or anything...
If a post generally agreeing with your post makes you 'annoyed' then I think it's going to be hard for you to have any good conversations. I was agreeing with you, but sure go off.
"Obama was the most progressive president ever" probably wouldn't be that far from the truth! He is, at worst, in the top three with FDR and LBJ who have major stains on their own records (and also the scope of their enacted policies was originally far more limited and had to be expanded by future Democratic presidents, including - Obama).
Also, Obama didn't bail out the banks, Bush did.
Probably looks a lot different! I'm not saying there wouldn't be meaningful differences between a Bernie presidency and a Biden one (I would prefer the former), but if you think one such difference is "Medicare for All vs. stupid poopy public option" you are quite optimistic about what Bernie could accomplish as president.
Cool then direct your ire at people who plan to vote for Trump, not democrats voting for a lifelong democrat in a democratic primary.
Just like Obama, he will not do half of the progressive things he is promising.
Yes that is clearly what I am doing with AZ, WI, PA, and MI.
States that aren't polling close at all vs Trump and we'll definitely just easily win with Biden and not Sanders despite Sanders likely easily beating him in the primaries in those states.
Yeah came to that realization earlier up. Shouldn't matter.
On the flipside if Biden wins I'll be annoyed that the DNC was right lol
nope. Too much progress made Trump come up about. Trump was a whiplash from the fact that we got healthcare reform (whether you admit or not more people are covered now than before and it legitimately saved lives even in areas that are heavily Republican), gay marriage became the law of the land, and to those who most fervently support Trump they despised a black man getting elected president.
some of the revisionism going here completely ignores context.
Democracy is good. Unless it's not the result I want. Then we should keep those people from voting.
Principled stand.
they dont show up NOW. youth turnout is virtually the same as in prior years.
No I'm saying basing our entire election strategy off of them is wrong.
("Bernie Sanders Pokemon" google search yields a whole lot of results)
Why when the results are going to be largely the same thing to those people?
Biden isn't going to fix either of those things, and he's also going to lose.
One commercial stringing together all of his recent gaffes and hair sniffing on repeat for months is all it will take to defeat him.
not sure if this will work if the main site is down, but try here:
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Thanks for the help! I went to my county's official website and found it there (Denton County)
That's fair but I do think there should be a defined strategy around the closest swing states if you actually want to win an EC contest.
Bernie has already shown he can build a coalition with minority voters in Nevada - and if you're going to rely solely on polls, they show that nationwide as well. Again though, completely missing my point that if the party had such faith in Biden they'd have waited to see these truths in the voting today rather than pushing as hard as they could the day before....almost as if he needs the help because he put no effort into Super Tuesday.
But unlike Obama, it wont be due to a lack of trying.
I'm actually super fucking impressed at the cannon that was fired in unison in order to stop Bernie Sanders and his movement. Everyone lining up behind Biden ahead of ST is actually some incredible coordination. Are they spending more towards stopping Bernie in a coordinated effort than they did towards Trump in the general? It feels like it to me. First time I've been impressed with the party's actions.
So what you're saying is he will do half of the progressive things he is promising
Lets be honest here, neither of them would get shit passed, the Senate is Republican, their records would both look like nada.
so has Bernie by protecting gun rights under the auspices of Vermont guns are different from Chicago guns and voting for that same crime bill you're talking about.
Nader's latest book gives some great insight on how Bush and Obama got us Trump. He is - as per usual - merciless in his takedown of pretend liberals, plutocrats and those who claim to be on the side of the working American yet sell them out at every turn.
Here in Lancaster PA (the city, the county is Blood Red), Biden has hardly any momentum. It's all about Sanders with a smattering of Warren.
We're still two months out though, so that might just be due to Sander's supporters starting things off early.
If I have to bet who will accomplish more of his progressive policies between Bernie and Biden who comes from an administration that failed the working class hard, I'll bet on Bernie.
Deja vu, just like Hillary was easily winning those states until she wasn't.
My biggest worry with Biden is his shtick is "decency" & "not trump" this works in the primary where Biden is attacked very little, but the GOP ad machine has got so much ammo to use against him, i wouldn't be surprised if they even attack him for voting against gay marriage without a shred of irony. This is when his poll numbers will be tested.
I always thought Bernie would be safer in a general because the socialist smear would only work well in Florida, Republicans don't have much else to attack him with.
the stuff Bernie can get done via executive order on day one, by staffing the EPA etc, and the effect on the judiciary is worth it, even if he gets 0 laws passed.
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