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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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man, by the time the NY primary roles around and I get a chance to do anything, this whole thing will be over...
Where's the fun in that
Where's the fun in that
this is probably the last hurrah to do anything about climate change too. and ye here we are, about to put in an inoffensive centrist. man liberals truly are gonna get us all killed.
that would imply that she was a progressive before all of this. still baffled that so many lefties called her a progressive when she's nothing more than a bog standard technocrat. proud of it too. "a capitalist to my bones". imagine being exposed to the pit of fucking evil shit that is banking in america and thinking "gee, this capitalism thing, i vibe with it!"
Lmao yeah "starting to bite him"? He's the front runner as of this moment. Wild.
People keep on acting like moderate or pragmatic democrats want the status quo...most don't...but they don't think you are going to be able to get progress without building broader support. Especially in an election year where a large number of Americans say they feel economically comfortable. Feel free to disagree with their assessment, but to say that because someone doesn't want Bernie they don't want progress or they want people to die or that they only care about corporate profit is simply not true...
The establishment has done everything possible these last few days to demoralize and stack the deck against us. This is the best they've got and if Bernie pulls it off today he will win.
That's from loaded questions in polling. When you clarify that people would be able to keep their current doctor and hospital the support is back up to the same levels as the generic support for Medicare for All.
No one fucking loves their private health insurance. They like their doctor and want to be sure they can keep them.
Yeah, it's likely Bernie would also be only a one term president as well.
More and more I see Joe Biden as John Kerry 2.0: a milquetoast, visionless, middle-of-the-road option chosen not because he inspires anyone or advocates for any particular policy, but because he's perceived to be the least-offensive alternative to the competition.
No one voted for Kerry because he was Kerry; they simply voted for him because he wasn't George W. Bush. Didn't work then, won't work now. I don't think I've lived through a presidential election where the candidate with the less enthusiastic base won.
I mean you can be thankful your state won't actually vote for Bloomberg this time
(or maybe they will get the chance - who knows!)
Because for a good bit of people, that second choice also dropped out.
Also people were hoping more for Biden to be unviable in the first place. A 4 man race guarantees otherwise.
Agreed. This is their last Hail Mary to try and push a non-Bernie candidate into a delegate plurality, and if Bernie pulls off a win he's in a strong position to obtain the nomination.
The general voting public gives no shits about the supreme court. That isn't a reason the average person is going to vote for your candidate.
You have to GIVE THEM A REASON through POLICY to get someone to vote. Not force people into submission.
Biden's main policy is goign to be TRUMP BAD, which everyone thinks. But they arn't going to get excited to vote for Biden.
You have to GIVE THEM A REASON through POLICY to get someone to vote. Not force people into submission.
Biden's main policy is goign to be TRUMP BAD, which everyone thinks. But they arn't going to get excited to vote for Biden.
Why are we posting Tweets with no context about the opinions of a TERF?
Didn't blame any candidate..I said if Dems don't come out and support whoever the nominee is (Biden or Bernie) and decide to cry that their side didn't win..it's on the voters for fucking the courts because they couldn't see the forest for the trees...
I'll say this: The devil works hard but the establishment truly works harder
Not even a shady comment! I am in awe at the last second mobilization on all cylinders
I just dont get why lowering your expectations is a good thing
I guess people living thanks to good healthcare and not being in vast debt and saving the planet is just expecting to much from our government. Things are just to bad right now to really do anything, right?
We CAN find more money for the military. We CAN find bail outs for corporations. We CAN find money for not even half of a border fence. We CAN fund a Space Force.
What we CANT do is actually help people. We CANT help the poor, get better healthcare, better education, save the environment. CANT.
And apparently Americans are so broken and abused that they think that's okay. We will take our crumbs left to us by our betters.
Greatest country in the world, and we can only accept mediocrity. Heck, not even that compared to the rest of the developed world.
America, the home of lowered expectations, brought to you by the DNC. Please sir, can I have some more?
I guess people living thanks to good healthcare and not being in vast debt and saving the planet is just expecting to much from our government. Things are just to bad right now to really do anything, right?
We CAN find more money for the military. We CAN find bail outs for corporations. We CAN find money for not even half of a border fence. We CAN fund a Space Force.
What we CANT do is actually help people. We CANT help the poor, get better healthcare, better education, save the environment. CANT.
And apparently Americans are so broken and abused that they think that's okay. We will take our crumbs left to us by our betters.
Greatest country in the world, and we can only accept mediocrity. Heck, not even that compared to the rest of the developed world.
America, the home of lowered expectations, brought to you by the DNC. Please sir, can I have some more?
Let's not kid ourselves, "the establishment" meaning the DNC, would absolutely want Biden over Bernie and have likely be actively working behind the scenes to try and secure endorsements and money. That is what they are doing to "stack the deck"... I.E. what the DNC does every Primary with the candidate they want to win.
Anything more than this is bordering on conspiratorial thought.
Exactly. That's the point of a primary - to see who can generate more support in the electorate. That's why the person with the most votes will win.
If Bernie can't clear Biden, he probably couldn't win the general. If Biden can't clear Bernie, he probably couldn't win the general.
Real interesting timing for her to come out and say this again today, especially considering how much some people still seem to love her.
except Pete and Amy didn't get near viability recently, so it can't change THAT much. Plus as most say here, the second choices were pretty even across the board.
I had to stop the video at 1:05, I had enough of this patronizing bullshit coming from her, again.
I think the biggest 2nd choice candidates are still on the ballot. Bernie, Warren, and Biden.
I think a lot of Pete and Klob supporters did not have Biden as their second or even third choice, lots of them would prefer Bernie or Warren.
I do not think their supports are going to consolidate to Biden like Nate thinks.
But superdelegates don't represent the electorate and that's Biden only hope of beating Bernie.
This isn't even a 16 scenario where there were valid complaints about the process being unfair towards Bernie.
This is just candidates getting out of the race and endorsing who they want to be president. Theres nothing nefarious about that, its normal politics.
Bernie said it himself, whoever has more delegates should be the nominee. Let the voters decide who they want.
Because Bernie's only path forward was a divided moderate faction I guess?
If he can't win 1v1 against a moderate in the primary then I don't know why he should be the candidate? I want Bernie to win as much as the next person here but he needs prove his theory that he can convince the youths and other non voters to actually vote.
I wish she would just fade away. I voted for her, and she lost. Move on.
I was specifically talking about people telling me to my face that I deserved to die if I couldn't afford my liver transplant. It brought me so low that I was suicidal. So no, I will not shut up about people wanting people to die because I have personally experienced it and was nearly broken mentally and emotionally by it.
Endorsements are "stacking the deck" now? Is everyone supposed to just keep their mouth shut about their preferences until the primary is over?
It's obvious that mainstream Dems would prefer Biden, but I have not yet seen one shred of evidence for any sort of nefarious conspiracy against Bernie. He will either have wide enough appeal to get more votes or he won't.
Do the parties have different realities? Because Trump was about 30% for most of the primaries in 2016. And yet he's now President. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I'd be curious what you're basing this on because it seems flimsy as hell
I tend to believe people when they show you who they are, not come up with some weird conspiracy that they secretly support whatever I need them to support so I can counter points on an internet forum with no actual evidence
"sure, they're fighting against M4A now but trust me, they don't support the status quo they just support it right now for reasons"
This is kinda where I am on this. If his only chance was through a splintered Moderate vote, then that doesn't inspire much confidence.
I'm just putting what's happening in the context of the anxiety in this thread. Normal electoral politics are anathema to the revolution some people want.
Because right after Biden's big win, two major players dropped out and rushed to endorse him, tied in with a massive media blitz about Biden's comeback(which we all expected). The DNC(and more importantly, the big money bankrolling them) are panicking, and this is their trump card.
Bold of Hillary to give this strong of an endorsement to Bernie right on Super Tuesday!
nope. Keep in mind pledged delegates tend to vote for the candidate endorsed by who they were pledged to. So far, aside from Steyer, all the dropouts during the primary have endorsed Biden.
This is what pisses people off. Because Democrats are supposed to the progressive. That's the opposite of conservative. GOP gets to be conservative and yet Democrats are expected to be centrist and pragmatic? Why?
Republicans have been going "vote Trump" to fill the Supreme Court to block any Democrat policies and push Republican policies. A huge part of rolling back Abortion is based on the courts, as well as guns.
absolutely, this is it. they stacked the deck against obama too back in 08 and that primary went on till the bitter end. but ultimately, he prevailed. it won't be easy for bernie too, and it all depends on the voters, obviously.
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