If Obama was as fervently against Bernie as you think he is he wouldn't wait on a convention to endorse his opponent.
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Well, Biden isn't pulling ahead at all. If Bernie comes out of Super Tuesday with a lead, which by all indications he will, he'll probably retain that lead.
How much you wanna bet that she offered and the answer was "no thanks".
it's gone from bernie will crush everyone into he likely does not get a majority of delegates before the primary ends.
This is just some fantasy scenario right now.
If it actually happens, I'll be just as mad as you. But first Bernie has to get the most votes.
I still think Bernie is going to win big in California and Texas. The minority vote is going to come big for Bernie. I have spoken to Latinos here in Texas who have only heard from the Bernie campaign. I feel like is the same in California.
It doesnt matter whats fair and whats not fair. Its about what we achieve and what we dont. Bernie is the candidate that brings the most change and the voters that are desperately needed to win this election want that change. Fuckery or not. Fair or not. Democrats are choosing to throw this election.
All we can hope is that if Bernie is the nom he chooses a more moderate unifying person to be his VP. And if Biden is the nom, he chooses an inspiring progressive. If both of them stick to someone on the exact same political spectrum we're gonna have a problem
But you're just speculating based off nothing. Its really simple- Bernie beats Biden head to head.
No, it is fucking not. Please, people, don't lose your head in 24 hours. We'll know tomorrow but Bernie hasn't lost yet.
Absolutely, this will be key. I also think Bernie's support is pretty much cemented at this point, he can only go up.
GCB is at +11 who ever the nominee is things look good, hopefully this carries to lower races like senate and such:
It's really not. There's no reason to be defeated. Also, none of this should surprise anyone. It was always coming down to Bernie vs. Joe (... I admit that I don't know what the fuck Bloomberg's doing in the mix).
Friendly reminder that young people eventually grow older and stop being young people
Really, our lord and savior was generic dem all along. Shame they aren't on the ballot.
The entire party is unifying against the one progressive candidate with a chance in favor of trying to get back to status quo that didn't work in the first place, it's pretty over
Do you ever try to make actual points in more than 3 lines? You know, engage in a discussion every once in a while? It's easy to close yourself to any critique and shut down any attempt at discussion when you barely ever make a case for your position beyond a stub. How is what you're doing any different than "cool story bro" drive-by trolls? Like, why did you even reply to my previous post at all when your response is basically just telling me "lol Bernie needs more votes why don't you get that?" That wasn't even my point.
I wonder how much of this is due to the spread of COVID-19 and the government's woeful response. :(
That we'll see how good Bernie's ground game can beat endorsements. And how broad his coalition is.
...are you actually saying that Bernie should get the nomination even if he is not the plurality winner?
With attitudes like that it sure is. Klob and Butts were always going to back Biden when they dropped out, it was always just a matter of time. If Bernie can't weather this he had no chance in the first place.
this can't be real right? LMAO
Damn lmao. Maybe he considers Sanders to be the even further past? Like USSR era idk...
That didn't answer the question;
Do you really see a reality where Warren wouldn't give Sanders her delegates in some type of deal for part of her platform or a seat in the administration to send Sanders over the top? Of course there would be a deal, that's the price you pay for not have the needed delegates to be the nominee.
Like, shit, Clinton made concessions to Sanders on the platform, the DNC allowed Sanders to make changes to the process when Sanders has no leverage at all to give Clinton the nomination.
It's the most obvious outcome there is in such a situation.
It was going up before hand I imagine it plays a role but its been trending upwards for awhile now.
I'm worried about what happens when he beats him, but not by enough to clear a majority. It's clear the party is deeply invested in stopping him.
true, however with warren staying in until the convention we wont have a head to head
oh my fucking god why. madison was joking
It's almost as though people are looking at who they are endorsing, and why, and determining that some factor other than sincere political conviction is at play!
Weird, that!
Clinton clowned on Trump and it didn't make any difference. This also assumes that Trump will even agree to a debate, which he has implied he won't.
Joe Biden is popular with the Democratic base, the voters with a track-record of actually getting out and voting. There is no evidence thus far that Bernie has been successful in mobilizing the youth vote at the scale he needs to win the GE. To the contrary: in New Hampshire, exit polling indicated that the majority of first-time voters turned out for *Pete Buttigieg*.
That said, I'm still voting for Bernie and hoping he wins the primary. But this catastrophizing about Biden's supposed inability to beat Trump is overblown and very tiring.
If Bernie Sanders doesn't win the primary, then I have lost my faith in this country completely.
Joe Biden can't muster up to Trump in debating or in anything else.
Joe Biden can't muster up to Trump in debating or in anything else.
Endorsements haven't meant shit so far... Biden's been leading on 538's tracker for like a year. Course Pete and Amy's endorsements mean a little more, but nobody is asking what Harry Reid thinks.
Yeah, Bernie made it clear from the first that he considers the establishment a roadblock to beating Trump or getting anything done. His candidacy is an existential threat to the current party apparatus, by design.
He made something like this happening inevitable; it's on him to break through it and win.
You're worried about unknowns. None of this has taken place yet.
Also, it's pretty obvious that the Sanders camp knew this would happen from jump, and their strategy (like all campaigns!) remains the same: secure as many delegates as possible and deny your opponents delegates.
Im saying that Democrats should try to win the election instead of trying the same thing every single time. I question the compitency that Dems have for gettign results if they think that Biden is the stronger candidate.
You're insisting you know for sure how events that have not taken place will transpire.
That's not really anything I can argue against, because it's a fantasy state that exists only in your mind right now. The number of words you expend describing your prediction to us does not change that fact.
I think you're wrong. Maybe I'm wrong, which would be awful. But we'll find out together.
I wonder how many of the Hill Shills have moved over to this place and are staying quiet for the time being. It would be kinda neat to see the "Yass Queen" brigade out in force again.
His message throughout his entire campaign was that politics need to change...
Anyway you were a mark if you saw what he did in South Band and thought he was a honest person or good guy.
Well that's the electorate's decision to make, as it should be.
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