The hope is Obama steps in and ensures the frontrunner or Bernie is supported through the 2nd vote.
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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The hope is Obama steps in and ensures the frontrunner or Bernie is supported through the 2nd vote.
That isn't what they were suggesting, c'mon. If Bernie has like a 20 delegate lead, yeah, things are up in the air, but if he's within spitting distance of a majority 1000% he has the nom. Hell, I'd go so far as to say if he has a plurality that's 35% or greater he wins the nom.
Is there any actual basis of this or are you just saying that anyone who doesn't agree with you 100% on how to get closer to a social democracy wants poor people to have bad lives?
In fairness, Moderate Voltron only worked on the assumption that every person that voted for a moderate combined would beat Bernie, even though some of their supporters second choice is Sanders.
I think its safe to say, with the way those candidates discussed the possibility and the actions of the past few days of moving around to stop Bernie, we can safely say this option would be entertained. But I certainly hope your right and glad we both agree on that hypothetical being bad if it were to happen. I really really do hope youre right.
The nomination hasn't been "stolen" until the Convention denies it to the person with the delegate plurality.
Which hasn't happened.
If she were then she would be getting establishment support; she largely isn't.
1991 is the majority, not 1990.
Honestly if Bernie has any less than 1900 he'll get robbed tho, very low chances of enough moderates backing him to beat a 100+ delegate defecit.
Then you haven't been paying attention. Numerous people have already announced that this is their plan.
No, I think he'll get it stolen if he doesn't get an absolute majority. He needs to get 1,991 in order to become the nominee, otherwise the party will steal it from him.
Was I hallucinating when I saw thread polls conducted with Bernie being the preference by and large?
Bernie would have been saying literally the same thing in their shoes. The option would be entertained if the margin between 1st and 2nd is tiny, like less than 2%.
Its funny that you say this wont happen but then come out and go "well if he had a small lead then maybe things go up in the air". Idk what it is with some people and thinking that you need a certain amount more votes to not have the nom stolen from you, but I assure you, no one is going to look at it that way if they do it other than liberals who already are ok with that outcome and think such a threshold means the party, not the people, can decide who gets the nom (which they can, but that doesn't make it less fucked up)
Ive covered this with you and others at length already and I don't see the value in relitigating it.
Friendly reminder that Bernie Sanders' campaign helped write the 2020 primary rules. Or rather, Jeff Weaver, Nina Turner, and Larry Cohen were members of a commission that forced the DNC's hand in eliminating superdelegate voting from the first round of voting.
But I agree that this is incredibly premature.
Anyway, the best thing the Bernie camp can do between now and then is... earn as many delegates as possible. I'm going to assume that was their plan all along.
But I agree that this is incredibly premature.
Anyway, the best thing the Bernie camp can do between now and then is... earn as many delegates as possible. I'm going to assume that was their plan all along.
Biden ran the laziest fucking campaign of all time. Got blown out in Iowa and NH because he couldn't muster up even the slightest bit of enthusiasm. He didn't know how to fundraise, and got outworked by damn near everyone in the field. He had no presence, marketing, or organization in the ST states. He barely had any volunteers. But in the end none of it mattered because of Clyburn and Reid and Obama and the rest of the party bailing his useless ass out.
Good luck in November, Joe. You're gonna need it. We're all gonna need it.
Good luck in November, Joe. You're gonna need it. We're all gonna need it.
That's the attitude. If Bernie's going to have a Democratic revolution, he can't have his ardent supporters becoming wet noodles over the endorsements from a pack of losers to a candidate in blatant cognitive decline.
Ok, if he gets 1,990 he's getting the nom. A lot of the establishment doesn't like him (no shit) and a lot would prefer Biden but acting like he's going to get robbed of the nomination if he has a sizable lead is just not realistic.
Do threads get to 100 pages within 3 days normally?
I remain persistent in a unity ticket as the best hope for the party.
I remain persistent in a unity ticket as the best hope for the party.
I'm glad Obama was able to take an incremental step; it says more about he political state of our country that so much effort needed to be expended to achieve that. We need a completely ground up change; but Democrats being the party of "whoa hold on let's not do TOO much now" is getting tiring. Gleefully endorsing the "reach across the aisle to republicans" candidate doesn't inspire much confidence; we will continued to get played by the GOP with this strategy.
It's a god damn primary. People who drop out endorse others. The conspiracy theories and hand wringing are getting ridiculous.
Maybe constantly attacking the party you're running in for a primary ends up being a bad idea when the potential coup de grace are the people you constantly attack and shit on end up endorsing the other guy.
Like, everyone was happy when Sanders was attacking "the establishment", when votes were split between half a dozen candidates and Sanders was winning decent victories... now the hard part comes when the game plan of attacking the fucking party starts to backfire when support coalesces around a singular candidate and suddenly it's not fair?
Sanders, for better or worse, made this bed... again. Sanders could have been a more unifying candidate in the party, but he keeps spending time attacking it.
It just find it mind boggling that people never saw this potential outcome coming.
You don't think Warren would give Sanders her delegates in this outcome?
As long as biden can keep the difference between him and bernie around 100 in terms of delegates on ST he should be fine.
I don't think it's a good thing if that happens, and I do think that a convention that close basically guarantees Trump wins, but follow the line I was talking about. I'm saying that that is the only circumstance that that even comes up as a possibility, even then it's not assured, and it's even less assured the closer to 50% both candidates are and it's completely out of the question if you're in a 4+% lead environment.
We don't know if none of it mattered
Bernie can still very well win tomorrow because he actually put his back into this
i try to stay away from politics but pokin my head in to say as a young voter seeing biden starting to pull ahead scares the ever living shit out of me.
bernie is not the answer to america's problems but fuck me i will not vote for biden. i wish america was ready for warren
bernie is not the answer to america's problems but fuck me i will not vote for biden. i wish america was ready for warren
My constructive rebuttal is that it shows poor faith or argumentative virtue to do the (effectively) historically revisionist thing and level or invert two people with very different records.
What conspiracy theory lol. Were literally talking about real things, being reported. Right now.
The DNC doesn't control Pete, Amy and the electorate on a string.
Bernie can still win this. Stop pissing your pants and start pissing on your opponent's political lawns. Vote your *ss off like you're going to lose it.
Again..what exactly is the "DNC" doing right now to crown Biden? You all sound insane.
That's why we took the damn field. If you wanna crown em, then crown their ass.
Yeah but all those who vote against my candidate are low information voters!
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I'm wondering if Warren was in the position Bernie is in now, with Biden having the same kind of momentum he got after SC, whether we would still be seeing the same kind of coalescing around Biden.
In bizarro world, there are NY Times articles where the upper levels of the Democratic party power structure being quoted about their strategy to fight against health insurance companies and fossil fuel companies. In this world though, they're all about how to stop the socialist campaigning on guaranteeing health care to everyone, lol.
Bernie will win tomorrow, it's not doom and gloom, but today has definitely been a damaging day for his campaign. How damaging? Remains to be seen.
Some Bernie supporters are far too weak willed though; gotta persevere and carry on!
Some Bernie supporters are far too weak willed though; gotta persevere and carry on!
Imagine considering the remaining Democratic electorate of this country that has yet to cast a single ballot in this primary to be a "final boss" in this context. Unbelievable. No wonder a contingent of Bernie supporters push potential supporters away.
The final four candidates are literally the candidates I'd expect to make it to the convention without dropping out even if they had like 80 delegates because they're all so stubborn (Bernie included btw). There would have to be a long talk in a smoke filled room for Bernie and Warren to make ammends and talk out a deal even in that case IMO.
So the party kingmakers won't let Bernie get the nomination even if he's only a few delegates shy of an absolute majority. They'd rather lose with Biden than risk winning with Bernie.
When you have Obama and others running around on the convention floor playing hardball to make sure everyone votes against Bernie it won't be that difficult for them to pull off.
i read this as 'endorsed' and i nearly fucking died thanks for this
Bernie and Warren are much closer than Warren and Biden.
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