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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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There's been enough change in the past few days to make the data that 538 are using obsolete. The polls are outdated and the momentum projections will be off in several ways. The only solid data will be the results of the four contests (some of which are already fading from relevance - nobody's voting now based largely on candidate performance in Iowa, for example). After tomorrow's results they'll have a lot more real data to work with and they'll start using polls that are more closely reflective of how the nomination race will shake down (rather than including lots of additional candidates that weren't ever going to reach the end). We can see how they do then.fivethirtyeight just put Biden a percentage point above Bernie.
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imo it seems pretty valid for folks who previously got booed by Trump crowds at rallies, to comment on how getting booed by Sanders crowds at rallies is a similar experience.
Neutral Milk Hotel's Jeff Mangum comes out of online isolation to endorse Bernie Sanders
'bernie is punk,' reads the subject line.
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Jeff is in too.
After stuff like this I can see why his supporters would think the 24 hour news channels was against Bernie.
Thankfully a lot of people don't only get info from these channels. Shows like The View are really against him. A lot of these people are wealthy "opinion hosts" (I was corrected recently on what they were), of course they would likely hope Bernie didn't win.
if you think all booing is the same and context doesn't matter, then sure
It's good to know that in the mind of Bernie supporters, all Washington Post employees are parts of Jeff Bezo's personal army, ready to take Sanders down. Weird that the Post employed Liz Bruenig until she took a more high profile gig at the Times,, even after Bezos bought the paper, then. Maybe Bezo's loyalty agents didn't notice her.
Four candidates reaching viability in CA would be a serious blow to Bernie :-/
do you suppose the folks at the bernie rally had specific criticisms of the specific journalists present for things they have written, or were just generally booing the press box? because unless they had a specific bone to pick with the specific folks who were present at the time it sure seems like the same context as the booing at a trump rally.
it's good to know that in the mind of ResetEra user "JesseEwiak," all Sanders supporters are the same and believe the same things
Both Biden and Bloomberg are on video (in multiple situations in Biden's case) arguing for Social Security cuts, weird that the main "moderate" candidates have that approach towards one of the most popular Democratic programs in American history. Seems like might be a pretty big "electability" issue for a Democrat running in 2020, if one is actually concerned about that.
I can't wait for that footage being played at the next debates, and the moderators challenging them on it!
I can't wait for that footage being played at the next debates, and the moderators challenging them on it!
I think it's in everyone's best interest if we hold MSNBC and CNN to the fire as much as possible to quit focusing so much on spin and ridiculousness that clearly reveals their own biases. 24 hours news stations have not been particularly productive institutions in our society and we could in general stand to de-sensationalize our news media in the name of more direct and honest reporting. The way the vast majority of Sanders people who criticize traditional news outlets is different from Trump because its analyzing the interests of that news organization and generally more detailed evidence based criticism, whereas the Trump wing of the world just screams at anything they don't like with reckless abandon. Criticizing news agencies should not be equated to attempting to completely denying reality.
How is it different? Genuinely asking.
Edit: FWIW I agree with the above post that cable news is trash and harms society. But I still do not jive with booing journalists, etc.
We in fact do not, you guys really need to stop trying to characterize millions of people.
The media signal boosted Trump and assisted in his election.
We Bernie bros are just like Trump supporters. It's true. Trump supporters believe in single payer health care to help the most nulnerable, prison reform, anti-interventionist foreign policy, expunging record of those affected by marijuana, and in general bringing wealth/power towards minorities.
Damnit guys. Why didn't some of you keep your masks on?
Jesus fucking christ. Stuff like this really worries me about what a Sanders presidency would look like. If the press asks him hard questions are these kind of supporters just going to shout them down?
This site has lots of good articles concerning the failings of corporate media organizations, from a left-wing viewpoint: https://fair.org/
Obviously, I don't know the specific context of the original tweet, and who/why they're booing, but the above provides some extra context for actual left-wing media criticisms.
This stuff, even if it is true, is definitely not the norm in the Sanders camp.
Don't forget the Palestinian-Americans having the audacity to demand acknowledgment on an international scale.
A lil trumpish tho, not gonna lie.
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I agree, that was unfair. Let me edit - judging from the reaction on this thread, the vast majority of Sander's supporters on this forum seem to agree with the Senator that every employee of the Washington Post, even if they had worked there before he bought that paper, are all part of Jeff Bezo's personal goon squad.
I agree, that was unfair. Let me edit - judging from the reaction on this thread, the vast majority of Sander's supporters on this forum seem to agree with the Senator that every employee of the Washington Post, even if they had worked there before he bought that paper, are all part of Jeff Bezo's personal goon squad.
I wish there were more time before my state's primary to see if Sanders actually went in this direction. Responding in a Trump-like manner to reporters and fostering that atmosphere in his supporters. If he did, I'd change my primary vote to Biden so quickly. But I have no idea if he would evolve in that direction, and Super Tuesday is tomorrow, yay....
I dunno, I just think we should hold institutions like the WaPo accountable for publishing things like: How Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders both reject the reality of climate change
Not to mention the practically hundreds of other asinine pieces. Maybe that's just too radical though. And booing is mean!
Not to mention the practically hundreds of other asinine pieces. Maybe that's just too radical though. And booing is mean!
The doubt vast majority of sander supporters post in this thread.
I also hope people recognize how brutal a Biden nomination is going to be. He's got a lot of really weak areas that he can be hit on and Biden is going to have to deal with it all head on. If he's going to own Obama as his lane of "electability" that also means owning his weaknesses in the general (some of which were directly caused by Biden himself) and that's one of the areas I've never seen Biden do particularly well with. He's always willing to hold his connection to Obama in high esteem when the good parts of his Presidency are being referenced, but he just gets quiet and struggles when hit with proper criticisms of the Obama era, and specifically, he won't have the shield of Democratic respect for Obama holding back those criticisms in the general.
I understand why he's the main moderate in the race at this point, but I do wish the moderates would have picked someone with a little less liability all around as their candidate. If Biden is the nominee, he's going to have quite possibly an even worse cycle than Hillary had by the end of it (he won't have the immediate sexism bullshit at least though).
I understand why he's the main moderate in the race at this point, but I do wish the moderates would have picked someone with a little less liability all around as their candidate. If Biden is the nominee, he's going to have quite possibly an even worse cycle than Hillary had by the end of it (he won't have the immediate sexism bullshit at least though).
Not that I condone that, but ask yourself, what is the agenda/goal for why they would do that? What would they be hoping to accomplish by doing that? Is it like Trump who do that to be anti-climate change, pro-bigotry, etc...? Or is it for something else?
It's important to keep in context what that actually means. When that context is known, I don't see much reason to be scared of it.
in the same way it's different when a crowd in Sheffield boos a reporter from The Sun
if you really don't see the difference between a crowd booing a reporter because they won't talk about Qanon and the supposed Clinton pedo ring and a crowd booing a reporter because their outlet is a part of a tax-dodging billionaire's attempt to consolidate their exploitative business empire, I don't know what to tell you.
but in general, I don't think people should go after reporters
Why would this of all things be a deciding factor??? Do you want universal health care or no? Are you anti war or no? How bad do you want to stop climate change? Are all of these things not infinitely more important??
I don't think anyone minds things like asking him hard questions. They'd prefer it to bait questions for example. Look at this one, where the reporter admitted she tried to bait him but he didn't take it.
"Establishment figure who fought all his life against gay rights, and only changed his position after the entire country was moved towards supporting them deserves more credit on gay rights than the activists that moved the whole country."
This take is out of this world.
This is what the moderate/centrists allies look like.
Maybe the corporate media shouldn't spend all their time demonizing Sanders and his supporters then.
"If we attack the press indiscriminately, it's OK, because we're doing in for the right reasons!"
You're the first any only person to even bring up Jeff Bezo's in this thread.
only 20% of the ~650 delegates are statewide so its unclear how this would shake out
Like I said, it would take more time to change my mind if Sanders actually starts acting like a dictator or something. But I don't have time. Voting is tomorrow.
Then why did he respond like that to a reporter from the Washington Post, who didn't write the other article from the Washington Post he didn't like, unless it was out of some believe that the Post as an organization was out to get him?
You should probably try another edit since you are now claiming that "the vast majority" of Sanders' supporters mobilised within minutes of this tweet being posted here
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