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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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lol why did this thread jump 20+ pages in a few hours
have people already decided that biden will win? relax, a lot of the primary season is left. bernie is still polling really well. ar least wait until tomorrow's results before freaking out.
i think it'd be fair to go bernie or bust if bernie is screwed over at the convention, but definitely not if biden gets a legitimate plurality, which i don't think he will
have people already decided that biden will win? relax, a lot of the primary season is left. bernie is still polling really well. ar least wait until tomorrow's results before freaking out.
i think it'd be fair to go bernie or bust if bernie is screwed over at the convention, but definitely not if biden gets a legitimate plurality, which i don't think he will
He certainly has a path to do it. It's all up to him.
Hope we get to see it. Bloomberg and Warren out, everyone continues to ignore Gabbard and its game on
For ten years I had a moderator tag next to my name in one of the largest gaming sites in my country. I always felt baffled by people not wanting to argue with me one-one-one in news threads because of that - now I sorta understand. This is the type of post that would get a lot of reaction out of me otherwise (I mean.... seriously, to look at a political process that is clearly about power struggles and just assume that these are honest-to-god, just saying what they believe actors, is pure naivite imho.), but I am afraid too to disagree too much :D
Are we really doing this "black southerners who don't vote republican don't count" thing?
Then what are people freaking about in here?
All I've seen are Bernie folks insulting Biden, saying how hes weak and has no chance against Trump. If Bernie can't beat this dude then maybe Bernie was just a weak candidate.
Well it certainly makes things easier for yourself if everyone who disagrees with you is inherently corrupt and wrong. It's just not particularly honest.
Left couldn't even get a viable candidate out most of those years so yeah
People who are personally invested in an election tend to freak out whenever the momentum or news or whatever shifts against them.
Hillary ran to the left of Obama, and so is Biden.
Also, if "moderates" lost in those general elections, then i guess the left was unelectable in those years because they didn't make it past the primary.
They also won the Popular vote in 92, 96, 00, 08, 12, and 16. But that would be splitting hairs I guess.
As one of those "often times minorities" that's poor, I'm not really enthused about the idea of voting for Biden. I'll still do it, but if the right could come up with anything approaching a moderate candidate (they can't), I'd just as soon not vote.
Biden is not the answer.
Yeah, that would be the case if there were not plenty of evidence from Pete Buttigeg's own words where he switched positions without much explanation. His comments regarding the firing of the police chief in Southbend does not inspire much confidence in his honesty, even if he states in a debate that he comes there with "much humility". The words that go against that is: "I do not need your vote", said to a black voter, months before. After incidents like those, assumption of honesty is not a gift easily given.
This is a little revisionist. Obama was considered to have the most progressive voting record among senators in 2007 in the run up to the 2008 election. The issues were very different in 2008 than they are in 2020. Obamacare might be considered moderate or even center-right today, but it wasn't in 2008. Withdrawal from Iraq is considered mainstream today, but it wasn't in 2008. Headlines ran at the time wondering if "The most liberal senator can unify the Democratic party."
Obama didn't run as a moderate, but he certainly ruled as a moderate (and pretty much had to with 6 years of an obstructionist Republican congress).
Dems don't lose when they run left, or when they run to the center. Dems lose when they don't vote like republicans (voting for whoever the nominee ends up being).
Establishment politicians being corrupt and/or selfish? In 2020? IN THE US?? Yeah, what a dishonest conspiratorial assumption to make.
Power structures and the two party system don't exist apparently
Wow, it's almost like there was a decades long project of purging leftists from the party, which is why every leftist in politics is either Bernie's age or in their 30s like Carter or AOC.
As a side note, look at when Liz announced her 'Medicare for all' plan:
Warren Maps 3-Year Timeline Toward Medicare for All; Stocks Rise
Elizabeth Warren said Friday her Medicare-for-All plan would be implemented over three years, a major concession to the difficulty of fundamentally changing the way Americans get health care. Managed-care and hospital stocks moved higher on the news.
www.bloomberg.com
lol Biden's record as a senator and VP laid alongside the timeline of Hunter's employment history is like proof of corruption. At best it was nepotism, at worst it was a sort of quid pro quo arrangement.
The funny thing is that out of all the things Democrats could have impeached Trump for, it's for the exact sort of thing the Democrats have done. They have no real moral ground here, which is why a lot of their accusations thrown at the Republicans aren't that effective.
Candidates have the right to drop out of the primary and endorse whoever they want for any reason.
I really don't understand the thought process where Amy and Pete are corrupt monsters for dropping out and endorsing the person most ideologically similar to them, but at the same time Warren is a corrupt monster for NOT dropping out and endorsing the person most ideologically similar to her.
Bernie winning the election, even if that's what I would prefer, is not the "right" outcome here. The person with the most votes, whoever that is, should be the nominee, and nothing in the past few days has really thrown that off course.
I look forward in 2021 to hearing about how we have Trump for another 4 years because of the Bernie Bros and all that mad shit they talked about Biden. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
Pretty good view on it. I think most and I guess I include myself in that regard when talking in this thread about Obama we frame his platform through the 2020 looking glass.
At that point in time his policies were considered very progressive, but don't seem as such in today's politics.
We wouldn't be talking about universal healthcare today had he not sacrificed his entire political capital in the healthcare debate.
Yeah those people are still very much alive and they all vote, in the last primary they were 71% of the electorate. Till that's solved I'm not particularly swayed by 'unelectable' charges from the left
So, what you are saying is.
They couldn't win.
So what is your argument again?
don't pretend you weren't badmouthing bernie sanders and his supporters now that he's trendy again.
I think it comes down to the fact that no one in the dem primary has attacked Biden for being basically senile. Thats going to something that trump isn't going to shy away from, it'll be brutal.
They could win, is my point. But the Democrats would rather lose with a moderate than win with a leftist.
I can't wait until a letter about opening an investigation into Burisma drops the week before election day. lol
For sure. Some of them have been pretty shitty and I've called them out. They give Sanders a bad name.
Edit: Actually shitty isn't even fair. Some of them weren't holding him to the same level of accountability that they were other candidates, and I repeatedly tried to point that out.
It is important to understand the language when the left talks about corruption and when centrists talk about corruption.
To the left, accepting donor money and allowing the lobbyists to push for bills that damage the environment, increases goverment-funded corporate subsidies IS corruption. (I agree with this definition,needless to say). There was no law being broken, only morals where you get elected to represent the will of the people, but then you get inserted into a structure where there is a constant need for funding to survive (i.e. get reelected), and that changes a politician's priorities quick.
Now, contrast that to AOC. Her hands are not tied. She is going against these causes hard (though even she needed to compromise here and there,especially against Pelosi) because she did not get elected on the back of corporate lobbyists maxing out, but on the people's donations and help. That is the fundamental difference.
it seems like The Leftists could have simply formed their own party, supported by the large swathes of regular folks who don't vote for democrats because the democrats aren't left enough for them?
I mean you're assuming a whole bunch of shit happened and not the easiest explanation of all. Klobuchar is a moderate/centrist, Pete is a moderate/centrist, them endorsing the moderate/centrist over the progressive is hardly a shock.
Matt isn't using his moderator tag to get away with disingenous shitposting or anything, get over yourself.
Plan to Protect and Build on Obamacare | Joe Biden
Joe Biden will protect and build on Obamacare by giving Americans more choice, reducing health care costs, and making the system less complex to navigate.
joebiden.com
??? That quote, and all of the other details described on the page seems to fall far short of "a right for all", lol.
someone who's torn between trump and bernie obviously sucks ass, lol. just saying there's a difference between some person choosing to vote in a way that helps the candidate who is the closest to what they want on whatever issue is most salient to them vs choosing to vote in a way that helps the candidate who is the furthest from what they want, so i don't think it's surprising that the latter group gets more shit for hostage-taking
I was not even implying that. I was literally just sharing my anecdotal experience regarding this. If I thought that, I would not have posted with my explicit critique of that post.
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