Are we really doing this "black southerners who don't vote republican don't count" thing?This is what kills me.
That states that will vote for trump got to pick the nominee.
Well it certainly makes things easier for yourself if everyone who disagrees with you is inherently corrupt and wrong. It's just not particularly honest.For ten years I had a moderator tag next to my name in one of the largest gaming sites in my country. I always felt baffled by people not wanting to argue with me one-one-one in news threads because of that - now I sorta understand. This is the type of post that would get a lot of reaction out of me otherwise (I mean.... seriously, to look at a political process that is clearly about power struggles and just assume that these are honest-to-god, just saying what they believe actors, is pure naivite imho.), but I am afraid too to disagree too much :D
It's a very different set of voters in the general.Then what are people freaking about in here?
All I've seen are Bernie folks insulting Biden, saying how hes weak and has no chance against Trump. If Bernie can't beat this dude then maybe Bernie was just a weak candidate.
Moderates lost in 1984, 1988, 2000, 2004 and 2016, but it's the left that's unelectable.
People who are personally invested in an election tend to freak out whenever the momentum or news or whatever shifts against them.Then what are people freaking about in here?
All I've seen are Bernie folks insulting Biden, saying how hes weak and has no chance against Trump. If Bernie can't beat this dude then maybe Bernie was just a weak candidate.
Moderates lost in 1984, 1988, 2000, 2004 and 2016, but it's the left that's unelectable.
Moderates lost in 1984, 1988, 2000, 2004 and 2016, but it's the left that's unelectable.
OK neoliberal centrist shill. Who funds you?i'm on AOC's side, which is one proposal is good but the other proposals wouldn't be the end of the world
Or the climate. 👍 It's pretty interesting how no buster will say a word about it. Frankly, I have no clue where the hell Bernie-or-busters got their convictions from anyway. It sure as hell isn't empathy for the poor, those affected by Trump's harmful policies (oftentimes minorities) or inaction towards climate change, or anything else I could point my finger on really. I just suspect that no matter who wins, it won't affect them much, else they'd probably drop this ridiculous stance.
If you care about climate change, how can you consider not voting Democrats even for a second?
Well it certainly makes things easier for yourself if everyone who disagrees with you is inherently corrupt and wrong. It's just not particularly honest.
Obama ran as a post-partisan centrist with inspiring language. His proposals were very moderate
Well it certainly makes things easier for yourself if everyone who disagrees with you is inherently corrupt and wrong. It's just not particularly honest.
Power structures and the two party system don't exist apparentlyLeft couldn't even get a viable candidate out most of those years so yeah
Left couldn't even get a viable candidate out most of those years so yeah
We gotta win because we have too. Let's do this for the people who need it the most.
Establishment politicians being corrupt and/or selfish? In 2020? IN THE US?? Yeah, what a dishonest conspiratorial assumption to make.
Candidates have the right to drop out of the primary and endorse whoever they want for any reason.Yeah, that would be the case if there were not plenty of evidence from Pete Buttigeg's own words where he switched positions without much explanation. His comments regarding the firing of the police chief in Southbend does not inspire much confidence in his honesty, even if he states in a debate that he comes there with "much humility". The words that go against that is: "I do not need your vote", said to a black voter, months before. After incidents like those, assumption of honesty is not a gift easily given.
Pretty good view on it. I think most and I guess I include myself in that regard when talking in this thread about Obama we frame his platform through the 2020 looking glass.This is a little revisionist. Obama was considered to have the most progressive voting record among senators in 2007 in the run up to the 2008 election. The issues were very different in 2008 than they are in 2020. Obamacare might be considered moderate or even center-right today, but it wasn't in 2008. Withdrawal from Iraq is considered mainstream today, but it wasn't in 2008. Headlines ran at the time wondering if "The most liberal senator can unify the Democratic party."
Obama didn't run as a moderate, but he certainly ruled as a moderate (and pretty much had to with 6 years of an obstructionist Republican congress).
Wow, it's almost like there was a decades long project of purging leftists from the party, which is why every leftist in politics is either Bernie's age or in their 30s like Carter or AOC.
Please don't parrot nonsense Trump talking points.lol Biden's record as a senator and VP laid alongside the timeline of Hunter's employment history is like proof of corruption. At best it was nepotism, at worst it was a sort of quid pro quo arrangement.
Wow, it's almost like there was a decades long project of purging leftists from the party, which is why every leftist in politics is either Bernie's age or in their 30s like Carter or AOC.
But nothing here is evidence of that.Establishment politicians being corrupt and/or selfish? In 2020? IN THE US?? Yeah, what a dishonest conspiratorial assumption to make.
don't pretend you weren't badmouthing bernie sanders and his supporters now that he's trendy again.Don't get me wrong. The vocal minority that was against Bernie were really annoying about it.
Edit: Er, in other words I agree with you.
I think it comes down to the fact that no one in the dem primary has attacked Biden for being basically senile. Thats going to something that trump isn't going to shy away from, it'll be brutal.Then what are people freaking about in here?
All I've seen are Bernie folks insulting Biden, saying how hes weak and has no chance against Trump. If Bernie can't beat this dude then maybe Bernie was just a weak candidate.
So, what you are saying is.
They couldn't win.
So what is your argument again?
I can't wait until a letter about opening an investigation into Burisma drops the week before election day. lolI look forward in 2021 to hearing about how we have Trump for another 4 years because of the Bernie Bros and all that mad shit they talked about Biden. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
don't pretend you weren't badmouthing bernie sanders supporters now that he's trendy again.
lol Biden's record as a senator and VP laid alongside the timeline of Hunter's employment history is like proof of corruption. At best it was nepotism, at worst it was a sort of quid pro quo arrangement.
Wow, it's almost like there was a decades long project of purging leftists from the party, which is why every leftist in politics is either Bernie's age or in their 30s like Carter or AOC.
I mean you're assuming a whole bunch of shit happened and not the easiest explanation of all. Klobuchar is a moderate/centrist, Pete is a moderate/centrist, them endorsing the moderate/centrist over the progressive is hardly a shock.For ten years I had a moderator tag next to my name in one of the largest gaming sites in my country. I always felt baffled by people not wanting to argue with me one-one-one in news threads because of that - now I sorta understand. This is the type of post that would get a lot of reaction out of me otherwise (I mean.... seriously, to look at a political process that is clearly about power struggles and just assume that these are honest-to-god, just saying what they believe actors, is pure naivite imho.), but I am afraid too to disagree too much :D
IV. ENSURE HEALTH CARE IS A RIGHT FOR ALL, NOT A PRIVILEGE FOR JUST A FEW
He'll also build on the Affordable Care Act with a plan to insure more than an estimated 97% of Americans
someone who's torn between trump and bernie obviously sucks ass, lol. just saying there's a difference between some person choosing to vote in a way that helps the candidate who is the closest to what they want on whatever issue is most salient to them vs choosing to vote in a way that helps the candidate who is the furthest from what they want, so i don't think it's surprising that the latter group gets more shit for hostage-takingseems like the mushy middle type of voter who can't decide in a hypothetical battle between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders should get more criticized for hostage taking than the left-wing voters do. At least the left-wing voter (usually, since people are weird) has an actual moral and policy-based reason to sit out. The mushy middle person is just kind of...there? "Eh, no one is guaranteed health care vs. guaranteed free at the point of service health care, not really sure which one works for me"
But what instead happens is that the mushy middle's supposed "policy" preferences (these are never actually elaborated on btw, since "moderate" is often a media creation that doesn't correspond to any polling or issue data) get taken completely seriously. Which relates to the fact that any sort of moral dimension to policy platforms gets stripped out when it comes to national political discussion, and just gets turned into a sanitized "left/moderate/right" discussion.
So that's why there will be a million questions about the costs and drawbacks of Medicare for All, but the costs and very real drawbacks of the public option always get ignored and never brought up.
Could honestly put a few states in play...If Biden ends up with the nomination I wonder if that could actually put Florida in play.
I mean you're assuming a whole bunch of shit happened and not the easiest explanation of all. Klobuchar is a moderate/centrist, Pete is a moderate/centrist, them endorsing the moderate/centrist over the progressive is hardly a shock.
Matt isn't using his moderator tag to get away with disingenous shitposting or anything, get over yourself.