Bro you could at least spell his name correctly if you're gonna try being a political analyst and speculate on his chances. btw is that a typo in your username??
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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I think they're hoping the dropouts endorsing Biden put him over, but if Sanders still comes out of this with a significant lead I can't imagine they give Biden the win. Like I know a lot of establishment people probably don't give a shit if Sanders beats Trump. But they do care that they can continue getting paid, and there's no money where there's no party. They need a Biden delegate win or they're going to give it to Sanders.
Either Biden made backroom deals, or the party did, or Amy and Pete's big donors told them point blank the gravy train was stopping, or something along those lines. Even if they did it fully spontaneously, that is them using the positions of power and influence they have obtained to try to line the party up behind the guy who challenges absolutely nothing major in the status quo! The guy with a pretty bad record of reactionary legislation and whose brain is currently the consistency of oatmeal! To the extent that the Dems present themselves as a party of meritocratic openness, it utterly undermines their credibility and message and broadcasts loud and clear where their real allegiances are.
I feel moderates are far more likely to fall in line. So im not sure that precedent will matter much if Trump wins. Theres a reason vote blue no matter who is mostly a moderate motto. They dont need nearly as much convincing. Im responding to you but im really just kind of talking to everyone but thanks for putting in your two cents.
I actually don't realize that, not really that familiar with the story. Will check it out in more detail.
since people are going to succumb to their overzealous energy and act like insane in-the-moment assholes, I hate that they're doubling down on the "BERNIE OR BUST" mindset( that many will embarrassingly step back from after the primary if Bernie loses). why can't they just channel that energy into a enthusiastic delusional that bernie is going to win every single state and earn every delegate, or something else?
Tons of moderates are also in safe blue seats, like Nancy Pelosi or anti abortion Dan Lipinski for instance.
I'm not sure you understand what "flip" means in this scenario
Remember when there was a sentiment that Era was anti-Bernie and then there was that poll that showed that he was actually the most popular candidate by far?
Obama was the more moderate candidate of the two moderate candidates in the primary.
The man may have said hope and change a lot, but what exactly about his policy was progressive? He is NO more progressive than Buttigieg is against the field today.
There's a loud segment that is, but the majority here support Bernie's platform. Just some of them are from other countries.
Just search "fuck Pete", "fuck Bloomberg", "fuck Warren" and fuck Bernie/fuck Sanders" and compare the results for a quick and easy test.
It's what happens when people run with the "vote blue no matter who" mentality so I'd say it's pretty relevant.
Obama ran as a post-partisan centrist with inspiring language. His proposals were very moderate
That was due to Bernie supporters keeping quiet because of the anti-Bernie supporters. It's obvious if poliera is the main thread for political discourse. Brainchild literally left the thread because people ganged up on him for being pro-Bernie.
It's only now in the general forum that Bernie supports are showing up in big numbers. However, I would say that many Bernie supporters did persist with poliera so that it's far more balanced these last few months compared to say a year ago.
This wouldn't work because you'd also have to search "Rat" for Pete and the snake emoji for Warren despite guidelines telling people not to put down others' candidates.
I hope this thread doesn't self destruct after making this comparison (or do I????) but the anti-Bernie segment reminds me of the anti-TLJ segment in that they're always over represented in the shouting matches but the polls done on here paint the true picture
i'm on AOC's side, which is one proposal is good but the other proposals wouldn't be the end of the world
Why? He has nothing to gain from it except when he's run for president.
He clearly doesn't need them to win and they wouldn't support his agenda anyway. The only reason he needs them for president is that no one has ever won running as an independent.
Plus it's not like they hate him. They're absolutely willing to use him as their poster boy as he's one of the most popular national level politicians.
seems like the mushy middle type of voter who can't decide in a hypothetical battle between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders should get more criticized for hostage taking than the left-wing voters do. At least the left-wing voter (usually, since people are weird) has an actual moral and policy-based reason to sit out. The mushy middle person is just kind of...there? "Eh, no one is guaranteed health care vs. guaranteed free at the point of service health care, not really sure which one works for me"
But what instead happens is that the mushy middle's supposed "policy" preferences (these are never actually elaborated on btw, since "moderate" is often a media creation that doesn't correspond to any polling or issue data) get taken completely seriously. Which relates to the fact that any sort of moral dimension to policy platforms gets stripped out when it comes to national political discussion, and just gets turned into a sanitized "left/moderate/right" discussion.
So that's why there will be a million questions about the costs and drawbacks of Medicare for All, but the costs and very real drawbacks of the public option always get ignored and never brought up.
Turns out this gif was misused all along.
Moderates today:
Joe Biden is Goku.
Biden convincing Centrist Dems to drop out
Didnt realize the primary was over. Jesus christ some of you people are really losing the thread.
That has been his problem. He continues to run a general campaign during a primary.
In his first campaign he was against gay marriage, people seem to have bought the image of him the GOP sold as a some kind of radical progressive.
Your right. My head's still spinning from reading that article and wondering how the moderates can keep making the same mistake decade after decade.
she said she wasn't speaking for bernie or his campaign when she said that
Don't get me wrong. The vocal minority that was against Bernie were really annoying about it.
Edit: Er, in other words I agree with you.
He was also for increasing military spending, tax cuts, and didn't have a single payer healthcare proposal (which Hillary attacked him over repeatedly)
Yeah Clinton ran to his left in most issues, but during the ´12 generals Obama was more leftist-ish.
Yup.
He was a centrist with a mix of social and economic progressive ideas, and the man could move mountains with his rhetoric and how he inspired. He was also a symbol of racial equality that ended up pushing him over the finish line.
I think we can safely say that she is not planning on being on the losing ticket as VP. I don't think any candidate is going to see her as a good VP pick as it is, not sure anyone feels comfortable taking chances with an open senate seat in Massachusetts.
I seriously doubt being a Democrat would help with that.
Unless the Super Delegates are stupid and short sighted they'll back Sanders if he gets the majority of the votes. To do otherwise is dooming the party to a loss in 2020.
Sorry man, centrist unity, preemptive compromise on healthcare, civility and condemning rat/snake emoji on Twitter are more important than human lives and saving the planet.
Centrism to own the poor and minorities.
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