So we agree that everyone who doesn't like Trump should vote for whoever wins the democratic primary
cool glad that's solved.
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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So we agree that everyone who doesn't like Trump should vote for whoever wins the democratic primary
cool glad that's solved.
Bernie has more black support overall according to the polls and blew Biden out of the water with Latino support in Nevada. SC is one state.
If he's the nominee I have no doubt that the vast vast majority of moderates will.
I got it. Imo this encourages tribalism to an extreme. I do see where you're coming from and I understand but giving in to hostage takers sets a corossive precedent. I am extremely harsh on and against moderates /centrists refusing to vote for Sanders in a general as well.
I mean, Gore is the most climate change focused candidate of the last few decades, so wouldn't that count as a progressive loss?
I said it about Iowa and he won Iowa.
Nevada is more of a barometer of the Democratic electorate. IL is apparently the best. The pundits opining about diverse electorates on the news only want that argument to work in their favor (ie Biden).
exept I dont think burnuie has a better chance than bidan. like it or not, burnie has a perfernal class problem, aka people who live in the suberbs, and are 100% needed to have a chance at winning in 2020.
I honestly don't remember, was climate change a big part of his 2000 campaign?
Yep, this is fair. Had my own qualms with Harris and Booker and Castro and Yang.
The party had a chance to inspire and attract a massive wave of progressive and diverse future public officials at the local, state and national level after President Obama's election in 2008 and squandered it all away by being content with the status quo. It's maddening and a perfect reflection of the issues that plagues the party.
Didn't expect both Buttigieg and Klob to be out before Super Tuesday. Along with Steyer.
Feels like Biden is the biggest beneficiary of this field condensing down so quickly after South Carolina.
Feels like Biden is the biggest beneficiary of this field condensing down so quickly after South Carolina.
I mean will people still be bernieorbust if biden wins but gets an emphatic endorsement from bernie? Like will you still stay home if sanders is out there every day campaigning for biden?
Bernie thinks people like Mitch McConnell can be persuaded to support a policy like Medicare for All if enough people come out to support it, which is just as naive if not more so. They both have absolutely ridiculous ideas about how Republicans think, and I don't get how they could both manage to be so wrong.
This is what kills me.
That states that will vote for trump got to pick the nominee.
The funny thing is, if Obama counts as a progressive, then... wouldn't Hillary?
She ran to his left in 2008
The whole line between "moderate" and "progressive" has no hard definition. You can make it fit whatever you want to make whatever point you want to make
She ran to his left in 2008
The whole line between "moderate" and "progressive" has no hard definition. You can make it fit whatever you want to make whatever point you want to make
Again, every member or supporter of the party deserves a say in the nominee, no matter where they live.
"That state" is picking nothing.
Democrats that happen to live in SC made their selection.
Oh jesus christ Bernie supporters keep it together. At least wait til ST results to go total bonkers and abstain from voting.
Biden is no Bernie but he's still leagues better than Trump and Bloomberg. It sucks that he doesn't have loan forgiveness or M4A in his platform though, that really is a bummer.
Biden is no Bernie but he's still leagues better than Trump and Bloomberg. It sucks that he doesn't have loan forgiveness or M4A in his platform though, that really is a bummer.
A dude just got suspended from his job for being a socialist and you think moderates are under attack?
The lack of a response to the No Malarkey law is honestly the biggest weakness in Bernie's policy platform, everyone knows his hogwash moratorium will never have any teeth
And what is Iowa?
Its funny, how its only after the first state Bernie lost that posters are playing the game of "which States should count in primaries" just like 2016
The 95% of delegates up for grabs doesn't matter, if Warren can't win them without minority support. Pete and Klob finally got it, they were at most going to split 20-30% white vote and then get to the convention with a small amount of delegates each. Them consolidating behind Biden, who has strong black support, is smart.
Warren and Bloomberg are in the same position. At this point they're just in it for pride. Now that Biden will get more delegates, they have way less power at a brokered convention.
We should just continue making our case for Bernie over Biden. Those who plan on voting for Biden in this primary, have no right to use the "vote blue no matter who" logic when that logic applies within this primary via "vote progressive no matter who." Just like Bernie is a better candidate than Biden, Biden is a better candidate than Trump.
1. Palestinian rights: Bernie > Biden
2. Healthcare: Bernie > Biden
3. Drugs: Bernie > Biden
4. Non-intervention foreign policy: Bernie > Biden
5. Social funding: Bernie > Biden
6. Removing money from politics: Bernie > Biden
1. Palestinian rights: Bernie > Biden
2. Healthcare: Bernie > Biden
3. Drugs: Bernie > Biden
4. Non-intervention foreign policy: Bernie > Biden
5. Social funding: Bernie > Biden
6. Removing money from politics: Bernie > Biden
Hillary ran a progressive campaign. The problem is that people didn't believe her.
Which is understandable, because she is a garbage dump scumbag.
Jesus Chirst.
If he becomes the nominee, his campaign staff better stock up on adderall, otherwise we're fucked.
Dude, where WERE you in 2016?
People fucking HATED Bernie here...
This is why I believe the DNC is trying to prevent a brokered convention right now, at least in part: to prevent an even worse backlash from young voters.
Really wish I, and most people of color + other minorities, had the privilege of sitting out an election just because our preferred candidate didn't win the nomination.
Considering the significance this election will wield when it comes to the judiciary I can't even begin to fathom that level of privilege to be honest.
It's something else.
Considering the significance this election will wield when it comes to the judiciary I can't even begin to fathom that level of privilege to be honest.
It's something else.
Black voters favored Biden over Sanders 4 to 1
these fucken Trumpers swear too god
We're always giving in to hostage takers in an election. Swing voters are just that, they're just not online since they give no fucks about politics.
Yes. Like, dude was the one who set up the first Climate Change hearings in 1976! Circa 2000:
THE 2000 CAMPAIGN: THE ENVIRONMENT; On a Favorite Issue, Gore Finds Himself on a 2-Front Defense (Published 2000)
Vice Pres Al Gore finds himself in unexpected position on environmental issues in waning days of presidential campaign, defending himself against attacks by Gov George W Bush and Ralph Nader as neither heretic nor zealot; dynamic has made it more difficult for him to dilineate deep differences...
Fucking green party Ralph Nader was to the left of him on that issue to a complete crazy degree, but stopping logging altogether is something that Bernie doesn't support so, low bar.
There was no "here" in 2016 and I'm obviously talking about this election cycle.
Oh, that's the Project Veritas dude, right? That was fucked up.
it's easy to miss the vitriol that you agree with.
makes a lot of sense to me
burnie has 2 core issues. 1 he is toxic to the professional class(aka suberbs, which by the way are just white but very diverse), and second not being willing to comprimse means he is bad at colaition building. he has no shot at winning if he cant fix those 2 things.
You do realize he was probably suspended for badmouthing Disney, while ABC is working a media deal with them?
Yep. Nobody can afford sitting out of this one. If not for ourselves, then for those who are more directly affected by this administration's policies.
Many progressives voted for moderates under the "vote blue no matter who" mantra. Progressives don't get the same funding as moderates, unless there is a concerted effort to funnel that grassroots money into that candidate. Remember, progressives don't take lobbied interest money. This is a huge factor.
Just look at the Cisneros vs Cuellar battle going on right now. Cuellar, a pro-Trump democrat is getting endorsed by Pelosi in a safe blue district. He gets massive funding. It's only that AOC and progressives starting to focus on this specific race that is going to allow Cisneros to mount an actual battle for that seat.
Pretty sure he's doing the right thing here and everybody is happy with his decision.
President Obama is, by far, the most popular democrat in the country and is still seen as the leader of the party. He will endorse and support and campaign for whoever grabs the nomination. As he should.
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