All this assumes that these workers are going to be as engaged in 2021 and onwards as they are in 2020. US History tells me they won't.
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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The precedent is already set
This is dumb, we shouldn't keep wanting to expanding the Executive Branch's powers. We should be aiming for the Senate, aiming for two more states and securing a legislative stranglehold and ending the filibuster.
This is just a bad idea when better opportunities present itself, the erosion of the Legislature Branch because of political cowardliness is why we're in this mess
Although I guess I'm not shocked that people are literally advocating for Sanders to become a fucking king in order to get his agenda done, and then just going "oh don't worry we'll just turn off the king powers when he leaves no worries"
There is little chance Sanders is leaving office with a Senate + House trifecta, so that plan will blow up in his face.
Just registered to vote, will be voting for the first time here ever. Also donated money for the first time to a political cause. I could only throw Bernie 15 bucks, but I hope it helps some. Really hoping he does well on Tuesday.
The solution to that is not a further descent into authoritarianism by increased executive overreach, but a reform of our democratic institutions -- and end to gerrymandering, election reform, an end to the filibuster, an end to corporate money in politics, among other things would reset the terms of the game. And if we could elect someone who could rebuild the bridges between parties, that'd be a nice cherry on top but not really expecting that.
crazy that Pete dropped before ST. hell its crazy that he dropped before Klobuchar or Warren.
Wonder how much that boosts Biden for ST. What a crazy primary so far
Wonder how much that boosts Biden for ST. What a crazy primary so far
It's quite a trip to see Pepe used in reaction to M4A while also seeing it on signs and flags from white supremacists. The world is a strange place.
Awesome, welcome to the madness.
Yeah...but that's not happening and the government still exists and massively impact the lives of billions of people every day.
It's either use what few tools we have, or not do anything.
anything to keep any sort of right wing policy from being implemented is good.
Also, I'll ask this and see what comes of it because I'm curious. To the people who are so staunchly anti-Bernie until he (IF he does) becomes the nominee and "vote blue no matter who" becomes the practical apparatus by which you would vote for him as a candidate, how do you interpret the greater movement he is inspiring in younger voters and the overall sentiment of his "Not Me, Us" campaign? One of the reasons I'm such a particularly big Bernie supporter is because of that movement and the hope it inspires in me for our future as not only an electorate, but as human beings taking an active role in bettering the lives of everyone around the world to the best of our ability. To me, that movement and overall restoration of faith in the system for a new generation is far more important than Bernie himself, who I'm not so blinded by my respect to see that he does have some flaws such as not being as ideally receptive to more specific issues of minorities as he should be in his broader quest for economic justice (for example, I think his stance on trans rights largely doesn't exist beyond an umbrella equality for LGBTQ+ people) and the fact that his tendency to pivot to his main talking points can leave something to be desired when he's asked more specific questions that should also facilitate a more specific answer. I see those flaws and I'm more than willing to admit he has them, but like I said, his messaging and ability to rally people around a movement is unlike anything I've seen from a modern politician and he hits the nail on the head of "change does not happen from the top down, rather from the bottom up" constantly.
Does it not worry some of the more anti-Bernie people that you're throwing away that movement with someone like Biden being the nominee? Like, whoever has the plurality of voters going into the convention, I'll agree to support because I think that's fair and should be universal across the party, even if it is Biden despite the fact I don't particularly like him as a candidate. But I don't see him as the candidate that is doing much to inspire a base or that is organizing these really big sectors of the young population to get involved in the political spectrum, and that does genuinely scare the hell out of me personally. I think we desperately need to not only address the wide sweeping systemic issues plaguing our country, but also fundamentally reshape how voters interact with the government and the institutions of the US as a whole.
Like I don't expect this movement to wholly fall apart, and I don't actually expect much of the left to fundamentally not vote in protest against someone like Biden in the general, because I think that's mostly online people yelling and trying to earn more leverage than they actually have (which I also think applies to a lot of moderates who are trying to will leftists a similar way to vote more in line with their ideas)... But, I'm just concerned about the longevity of this movement without Sanders as sort of the rallying figure.
I'm not trying to guilt anyone into supporting Sanders with this post, I'm just genuinely asking and also giving my sort of take on things within that question to maybe frame my side of things a little bit if you so choose to answer.
Does it not worry some of the more anti-Bernie people that you're throwing away that movement with someone like Biden being the nominee? Like, whoever has the plurality of voters going into the convention, I'll agree to support because I think that's fair and should be universal across the party, even if it is Biden despite the fact I don't particularly like him as a candidate. But I don't see him as the candidate that is doing much to inspire a base or that is organizing these really big sectors of the young population to get involved in the political spectrum, and that does genuinely scare the hell out of me personally. I think we desperately need to not only address the wide sweeping systemic issues plaguing our country, but also fundamentally reshape how voters interact with the government and the institutions of the US as a whole.
Like I don't expect this movement to wholly fall apart, and I don't actually expect much of the left to fundamentally not vote in protest against someone like Biden in the general, because I think that's mostly online people yelling and trying to earn more leverage than they actually have (which I also think applies to a lot of moderates who are trying to will leftists a similar way to vote more in line with their ideas)... But, I'm just concerned about the longevity of this movement without Sanders as sort of the rallying figure.
I'm not trying to guilt anyone into supporting Sanders with this post, I'm just genuinely asking and also giving my sort of take on things within that question to maybe frame my side of things a little bit if you so choose to answer.
...did you read past the second paragraph? The president ALREADY legally has the ability to do a ton without further expanding on executive powers. And you're goddamn right I'm on board with using existing legal executive powers to tackle climate reform, even if the president shouldn't have had those powers in the first place
Yeah, I'm sure a level of backlash would have happened. But I wonder if with that more direct personal action, if more people would have been energized to further support him and Dems down ballot after they saw what would have been a large Democratic led government action actually more immediately benefit a wide swath of people. A lot of people had sentiments that they were ignored and left behind - I wonder if that would have been lessened greatly. The downballot losses were especially bad under Obama.
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OK, well that's just not true, and would only lead to government shutdown.
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That crowd sure is going wild
I'm not "never Bernie" or what ever, but the general view is there isn't some greater movement he is creating, the numbers aren't supporting this idea at all and haven't been supported in 2016, 2018, or so far in 2020.
If we were getting record, historic turnout in this primary I would change my tune, but I'm literally seeing no evidence that Sanders is courting a generational shift of young voters that will completely shake up the current political equation.
So no, basically I don't see Sanders as a movement. I see Sanders as a personality candidate with a core group of very hardcore supporters. 2018 was the real litmus test if these people were actually politically motivated for drastic change, and the real litmus test for the political theory that "you just need to run our candidates and we will win in landslides!", only to lose in primaries and basically lose every single moderately competitive state in midterms.
The funny part of 2018 is the real change came from the suburban "moderates" that people in the Sanders camp keep wanting to vote out of office... the people who were the ones politically motivated enough to vote and support the blue wave that netted us 41 House seats and a House majority.
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Yea that's disappointing, I want to watch a tape of this rally lol.
Mostly because young people don't show up for midterms. Never have probably never will in any significance. I also just don't think Sanders can actually pass any of his major legislative talking points, he'll probably even face resistance from the party he wants to lead unlike say Obama and Trump even. Maybe he's a savvier politician than I've given him credit for but winning is one thing, governing is another. Him not achieving his lofty targets will just broaden the general apathy in American politics and imo lead to a worse right wing backlash than we saw under Obama. I could be absolutely wrong on all these but that's my big hesitancy with Sanders that the high of his movement will fade and they won't show up in 2022. I'll definitely encourage everyone vote for whoever the Democratic nominee though and I'll probably even volunteer to knock on doors here in TX if it looks like it's in play.
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