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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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I don't know what it is that you think Bernie will be able to do differently.
He didn't endorse because he knows his voters are different in California to North Carolina. In California him dropping out helps Warren, in North Carolina it helps Biden. The point is to block Bernie of delegates, so him endorsing would hurt that goal.
My mom was considering Pete. It's infuriating when you tell them what's wrong with them and they say things like "Oh well I still like him the best." HOW!?!?! WHY?!?!?!
I mean, I don't have an issue with Pete dropping out now. As a younger candidate looking to build his political career and no prospects of any future state wins and generally not performing as well as he had probably hoped going into Super Tuesday and the rest of the primary, I can see why he took the out so as to not generally make himself look worse and take the better image of "knowing when to quit." I also suspect the donors also just didn't really want to continue supporting him since it looked like he had run his course as a candidate, and that likely contributed to him dropping out because he's also probably just not got the cash for a continued run.
Like I do think this hurts Bernie moving forward (the extent to which we'll know in a couple of days), which I'm disappointed about naturally, but in a vacuum for Pete himself, this was probably his best move too. If anyone bothers me right now, it's Klobuchar for holding on to essentially win Minnesota and then bow out just as a spoiler since its becoming increasingly apparent that she has practically nothing besides Minnesota on her side and her otherwise best finish seems destined to be 3rd in New Hampshire unless some stuff really shifts from Pete dropping out.
Like I do think this hurts Bernie moving forward (the extent to which we'll know in a couple of days), which I'm disappointed about naturally, but in a vacuum for Pete himself, this was probably his best move too. If anyone bothers me right now, it's Klobuchar for holding on to essentially win Minnesota and then bow out just as a spoiler since its becoming increasingly apparent that she has practically nothing besides Minnesota on her side and her otherwise best finish seems destined to be 3rd in New Hampshire unless some stuff really shifts from Pete dropping out.
Thank you.
Not be an utter insensitive asshole here, but I think it's time Bernie really pushed ahead with how in the face of Coronavirus outbreak, MFA can benefit every single resident of US thereby providing opportunity to curtail the spread even faster as well as drive home how afraid the establishment is of change that will save lives of the many.
Well, the Government Shutdown was stopped once the Flight Attendants Union threatened to strike.
Protests and strikes can work, but it'll take a special kind of person to mobilize all the people.
Absolutely monstrous turnout in LA.
The livestream timer says less than 5 minutes until it starts.
I mentioned Pete as an alternative because while he was garbage in my eyes, at least he didn't have that long ass history of sexual harassment, racism, etc, just a short history of the latter. But I hated even doing that. You get at the thing that frustrated me, when I mentioned stop n frisk, etc, she said:
"There's just something about him that I like, I just watched 60 minutes and I really enjoyed it."
She did say she'd vote for whoever the nominee is in November so that's something :/.
Haha she doesn't like him either.
Ah yeah, I get where you are coming from. I'm not very optimistic about getting anything through any republican majority either. A large reason I'm hoping for Sanders is actually on the basis of what he can legally do with just the executive powers, ie sweeping climate action, student loan forgiveness(not that I need it anymore), marijuana legalization and lowering drug prices.
Yes, that is one of the main reasons I'm supporting Bernie on Tuesday. I do think he will pass more progressive policy via EOs than the other candidates would. I just don't think he will be particularly successful in terms of major legislation.
Yeah and Sanders has explicitly said that one of the ways he's going to get things done is to direct people to rally, strike, and protest and make their representatives take action. Which is good and how it should work. Just casting a vote and sitting back and waiting for the system to get things done will only continue leading us down the shitty path we've been on.
The actual problem is Obama took over just as the collapse was beginning, not 3 years into the collapse.
Thus, regardless of whether or not Obama did the right thing, even with a massive stimulus and such, things likely wouldn't have turned around enough by 2010 to stop a backlah.
Even in the event of no major legislation initially, the message will be loud and clear; and we'll work to vote in Senators who'll approve his M4A legislation if we need to.
I don't understand people who cheer for Executive Orders. It enables wannabe dictators like Trump. The executive branch needs less power, not more.
indeed. The real goal should be to find a way to vote out Mitch et al and get Dem senators who support Sander's M4A goals elected.
I've been waiting for the stream to start, but the countdown keeps on going to zero and then disappearing lol.
In some cases, you'll be waiting until 2026, because it's incredibly likely that the same day Bernie wins, anti-M4A Senato's will be winning election or re-election in Delaware, Colorado, and Arizona.
I say all is fair. Come in, make sweeping reforms, use EVERY tool available to the nth degree to make America a better democracy. And then right before you leave, set the power level down to where it should have been all along.
The ends justify the means. Save the world first, complain later.
They learned it from Trump, and 6 years of Congress cockblocking Obama on any thing they possibly could. Partisanship makes for such an appetite.
I feared they might.
Sanders' rally stream finally went live. The crowd is absolutely massive. That was the loudest cheer for a candidate I've heard yet lol. Sounded like it shook the arena lol.
Thats... not how it works.
If a POTUS can expand powers and initiate sweeping reforms, once the precedent is set anyone following them will have the same abilities.
The stuff I'm cheering for, Congress has given the president the power to do. I'd also be willing to bet Congress might start considering rolling back some of these executive powers if a president Bernie went to town within the confines of what he could legally do.
In general, I agree, but it's also one of those things where we have to right the ship some way and we might as well use some of the tools that we have available to us if the opposition is always going to do so as well in addition to working to limit the power of the executive branch and overall restore the balance of powers.
But also Trump is mostly a wannabe dictator because the Judicial and Legislative branches are also compromised and refuse to limit his power. Him issuing executive powers alone wouldn't be as problematic if the other branches were doing their job in any capacity so that he don't have such unlimited power with said orders. That's ideally how our system would work, but congress has unfortunately ceded tons of power to the Executive for years across both side of the aisle.
Guess what, every single right winger agrees with you. They just have vastly different goals and reasons to support Trump's Executive Orders. Almost nobody thinks, "bwa hahaha, I'm evil," they think, "I'm supporting policies that will protect Real American's from coastal elites who don't know how the real world works."
Institutional degradation, lack of moderation and forebearance when exercising power is how you get Trump. What you propose would set precedents that weaken American democracy, you can't just "reset" it after a term ends.
That's interesting. Could be true for sure. Although the banks were already on fire and those effects were immediate. I wonder what things would have looked like had legislation been focused on developing programs for HUD to offer to take over individual distressed mortgages, allow homeowners to stay there with modified payment terms, with a built in phase out process to eventually sell mortgages back to banks once they and the people got back on their feet.
The way the founders created the laws all but guarantees a strong executive it had to be intentional. Political parties were always going to form and then the Senate fucked things further with the filibuster. The only way executive powers weaken is by nuking the filibuster and congress actually passing laws on a more regular basis not shoehorning shit into budget and other must pass bills. Probably need something alarming for the status quo to change. It's why Sanders pisses me off with his promises of shit he know he can't do because our current system of government isn't designed to pull off any of the things he wants.
Not if Congress passes the law and Bernie signs it as he's leaving office. They would have to have Presidency + Congress to regain those powers.
The precedent is already set
not cave in to them? that's always been his thing.
it still happens in places like india and france and we did sort of see it happen here, just on a small scale with culinary 226. the leadership clearly wanted to endorse biden but the pro-bernie rank and file kept them from doing it. then when they tried to go against m4a the workers once again broke rank and voted for bernie. its small scale but it at least illustrates what happens when you have the support of workers.
I actually completely agree with this on a theoretical level. The abuse and overuse of EOs is inappropriate.
But, the basic reality of the modern GOP's obstructionism makes their use largely necessary for a lot of government functions to operate effectively, and in the case of reversing Trump's EO's, within the bounds of acceptable morality.
If the GOP was a reasonable partner, I would absolutely support the drastic limitation of the power of EOs, even if that meant sometimes liberals weren't able to get everything they wanted on an issue.
I mean, I personally believe obviously, Obama should've been kinder to home owners, but it's also important to remember the genesis of the Tea Party began with somebody on CNBC's rant against people who shouldn't have gotten mortgages in the first place getting so-called bailouts. So, while I think that helping the economy in general would be a positive, I also think something far more direct could lead to an even bigger populist right wing backlash against the black President 'bailing out' minority homeowners who 'were given morgages because of affirmative action' or whatever would've been the soundbyte way to blame everything on things like the Community Reinvestment Act, instead of ya' know, the casino that was Wall Street.
Again, I'm not saying this to say that Obama's policy was right, but sometimes even passing the right policy doesn't stop populist backlash, of both the right and left wing variety.
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