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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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This isn't going to happen even if we take back the Senate and lose the Presidency. Without the supermajority, they're not actually going to be able to hold Trump back because he's already removed all pretense of working within the confines of our governmental structure. The Senate has shown, it has no power to do anything against Trump and the Republicans handed him that power, and his judges are already installed in his favor.
If anything, he'd just run the narrative that the Democrats are stopping his agenda for 4 years and pull off a 2024 win for Republicans. Trump very rarely gets blowback from anything, so I don't know why you think he'd get the flack for stuff not working under a Democratic Senate.
Basically this, but I think I do have an answer to solve this problem. Everyone who matters at the convention stops saying shit about how they're going to honor "the rules". They get behind the leading candidate if it's clearly not close. And then each candidate who didn't win very clearly and publicly endorses the nominee. Doesn't matter if it's Sanders or Biden. And then once that's been done the entire party actually gets behind the nominee and helps them in the general. Seems easy enough. There's no guarantee anyone wins the general on either side, but you have to try.
Unfortunately, if Sanders is the nominee you then have to consider the possibility that the party does most of that but just doesn't bother showing up for support. There's a very real (but not guaranteed) scenario in which they just sit on the sidelines and let whatever happens happen. Funnily enough, because Sanders isn't like the establishment, he'd immediately start busting his ass for Biden if Biden was the nominee. That's the crummy part of this entire thing. For all the talk about party unity, Sanders is the one most likely to show up if he doesn't get what he wants.
that bloc should have probably gotten involved with the primaries, imo
You know that there is zero "good faith" when you just ask questions and answer them with ridiculous color commentary at the end of the question.
Unless you actually think that Biden would veto a healthcare bill that restores and expands ACA and creates a public option, cause that's the picture your question and color commentary is insinuating.
I think it's possible, we just need an electrifying candidate. Bernie is very strong, but if we had say, an AOC or someone with youthful energy and incredible speaking power to convey why we need to do this, I think we would have a crazy good turnout. Someone even more inspiring than Bernie.
I agree that it's time to be pragmatic. So even if the nominee is Sanders or Biden, I'll support them, vote for them in the general and urge my friends and members of my family and community to do the same.
I really want to move out of the US after this election if Biden is the nominee. I'll vote and then peace out, ideally.
Tired of the status quo BS in this country and Biden, just like Hillary did, exemplifies that.
As much as I dislike Warren after this election, I'd take her over Biden as at least it's substantial progress over our politics.
Tired of the status quo BS in this country and Biden, just like Hillary did, exemplifies that.
As much as I dislike Warren after this election, I'd take her over Biden as at least it's substantial progress over our politics.
This is the right mindset to have. If only the people in the upper echelons of the Democratic Party had it!
What are the chances Biden will be caught on tape forgetting Pete's name after he's endorsed?
Umm, if Dems get 51 votes, this blocks anything Trump does that goes through the Senate.
There is nothing Trump can do about the rules of the Senate, nothing you wrote makes any sense, Trump has no influence in altering the powers of a completely separate branch.
You can imagine the scenes further down the road when some of these clowns still get all virtuous and turn up chanting at some frivolous protest march against Trump's latest ghastly policy or medieval Supreme Court appointment(s).
You have to register with the party to do that though. Maybe they don't LIKE the Democrat party - but they like Bernie. This is the Joe Rogan podcast following kinds of people. Voters that swap between parties on different years.
You can agree with every policy of the Democrat party and still think they're full of shit and not worth your vote. Not me, but people.
Just looking to vote for someone they can trust.
We had 24 candidates. Don't blame the DNC that the contest comes down to two old, straight white me.
Had the DNC tried to kneecap Bernie then his supporters would have been up in arms yelling RIGGED. Biden should have been kneecapped.
Everyone else got muscled out by Bernie having more overall support.
yeah. i have no faith in this party whatsoever and no faith in centrists doing the right thing. whatever awful shit makes the republicans happy and willing to compromise, they'll pass.
I mean, I hate a two old white men ticket but what if there actually WAS a Sanders/ Biden or Biden/ Sanders ticket?
(I still wish Hillary would have picked Sanders in 2016)
Yep. It's hard to take these people seriously.
Every person of color, every woman, every queer person, really basically every non-rich cishet white male knows what it means to make a pragmatic choice at the voting booth. I have always wanted better options than we have but I'll vote for the least terrible option always.
2016 > Everyone complains about "pre-ordained" nominee
2019 > Clown car primary where everyone gets to pick what flavor of ice cream they want
2020 > Complains the flavor of ice cream getting picked by people aren't the one they want... why didn't you get better flavors!
2019 > Clown car primary where everyone gets to pick what flavor of ice cream they want
2020 > Complains the flavor of ice cream getting picked by people aren't the one they want... why didn't you get better flavors!
Unless Pete gets a cabinet position he'll have no standing to run again in 4 years since he can't get elected state wide in Indiana. I mean, he could become a carbetbagger I guess.
I see Warren fighting the most for a public option, Biden might just give up. The others might float the idea but then just stop giving a shit.
I do know that Bernie, basically ever day, will talk about how the country needs M4A.
I do know that Bernie, basically ever day, will talk about how the country needs M4A.
Map - Open Primaries
Open Primaries state by state. Click on your state on the map to see how primary elections are conducted in your state and if your state has partisan or nonpartisan registration.
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also bernie has been running for president for six years now, and all these folks who supposedly like bernie have had plenty of time to switch their affiliation to support him.
It's definitely possible. It just may not be possible right now but you can't give up trying. Real change in politics, no matter how big or small, is achieved over a long period of time. If Bernie doesn't win now then perhaps next election or the ones after that. If you believe in something, don't give up fighting for it.
Whoever the President is, they will need to make compromises to get things done.
I've got a bad feeling, like this is Biden's lap now and we're going to get a repeat of 2016. Lame duck nominee that Trump will crush.
they will when the underpaid, overworked hospital staff starts going on strike and the federal government does nothing to break it.
I will obviously vote for Biden if he's the nominee, but there is no way I can be excited about doing so. Nor would I be incentivized to try to get people to go to the polls beyond giving a pragmatic argument. I'd be very dismayed.
Bernie winning would be huge for the movement, but ultimately, we need more in Congress. The Presidency will always be hampered by bullshit Electoral College math.
But what I'm saying is that he doesn't give a shit about the powers of the separate branch. He's shown this time and time again, and if he has to, I absolutely suspect he'll just start installing judges as Republicans put their hands in their pockets and shrug yet again since the Democratic majority can't actually stop him and the courts are already turned in his favor and the Supreme Court almost certainly will not rule against him. Not to mention, any and all legislation that a Democratic held congress approves will absolutely be vetoed by him. That's just 4 years of grid lock as he continues to run amok the population with no regard for the other branches of government. And maybe, just maybe, he pushes on someone like Manchin whose already a very conservative Democrat to push through some stuff if we're at 51.
We want to talk about pragmatism in our elections, gaining the Senate but losing the Presidency to Trump again is still a gigantic failure. Trump and his administration aren't going to magically play by the rules if we pick up 4 senate seats and lose none, because practically speaking that means nothing to him.
And Bernie will be calling those strikes, I presume? Also, I would love to see how underpaid, overworked hospital staff would be willing to go on strike for Medicare For All, when arguably they'd be the ones (perhaps the only ones) adversely affected by it.
What's going on in this thread? Seems like people really think Bernie doesn't have a chance anymore even though he's been doing really good up to SC, which Biden was projected to win by default. Bernie has as much chance, if not better chances than Biden. Just because Buttegeig might endorse Biden doesn't change much, IMO.
Two of those white men would also become the first Jewish president, but that rarely seems to come up
...I'm not sure we should want more of that, whatever it was.
The working assumption is any Democratic nominee has at least a 50-50 Senate when they are POTUS, you don't need any GOP votes if you either nuke the filibuster or pass it under budget reconciliation.
The underlined confuses me, why do you have less faith in a public option getting passed the Senate... but M4A somehow more capable of getting voted on and passed when it needs to be passed via a budget reconciliation and dealing with the same "centrists" you just lambasted?
Kinda odd
I think it would be poetic justice for a Jewish man to become President and defeat our Nazi president.
If Bernie gets the nomination and won the Presidency, he would be the new leader and face of the Party, and I think it would be a major shift in American Politics - for the better.
The fact that a bunch of 50 and 60 year olds who are afraid of M4A would prefer Trump to a "socialist" is why we can't have nice things in this country.
Old people on the right vote for Trump. Old people on the left vote for the most Trump-like person they can find that's not Trump.
It's not until 20 years from now, when that entire worthless generation is dust that things might finally start to improve. Sorry not sorry.
The fact that a bunch of 50 and 60 year olds who are afraid of M4A would prefer Trump to a "socialist" is why we can't have nice things in this country.
Old people on the right vote for Trump. Old people on the left vote for the most Trump-like person they can find that's not Trump.
It's not until 20 years from now, when that entire worthless generation is dust that things might finally start to improve. Sorry not sorry.
i can't wait to be compromised to a permanent end when biden pushes to expand ICE as a compromise.
nope. labor will save itself. there's no savior from on high. bernie's role is to stay in the sidelines when it starts happening.
There are so many layers to this, it's a bit annoying.
1. People think the DNC will conspire to make sure Bernie loses even if he has a strong plurality.
2. People see Biden getting a runaway win in South Carolina and taking the popular vote lead as a threat to Sanders (More reasonable, but it's not over by any stretch).
3. People think all the other candidates are colluding to make sure Sanders isn't the nominee because Butti dropped and likely will endorse Biden.
4. Bedwetting reflex.
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