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Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
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Bad Tweet. Obama sucked but you aren't going to get anywhere in politics with shit like this. Not like Obama getting cancer would even teach us anything about what he did wrong.

#NotAllLeftists lol
 

Deleted member 48897

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I see what happened. He tried to do a tactical strike on a major target in America and Obama, while not the guilty party, was just standing a little too close to them
 

jviggy43

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Oct 28, 2017
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I wish people cared half as much about the thousands of innocent brown people obama killed and put half as much effort into making passive aggressive remarks to the people constantly defending him as they do about lame tweets from a soon to be nobody who is never going to win an election. Some people need to reevaluate their priorities.
 

Googleplex

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Oct 25, 2017
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No. And this isn't the way I'd structure my criticism of Obama's domestic and foreign policies. I think it's not helpful. I think it's actively harmful to the growing left movement in America.

I can honestly say you have no fucking clue what and Actual war crimal is. So perhaps you should stop throwing around that word.
 

jviggy43

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Oct 28, 2017
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I can honestly say you have no fucking clue what and Actual war crimal is. So perhaps you should stop throwing around that word.
Hmmm

For the purpose of this Statute, 'war crimes' means:

  1. Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts against persons or property protected under the provisions of the relevant Geneva Convention:
    1. Wilful killing
    2. Torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments;
    3. Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;
    4. Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;
    5. Compelling a prisoner of war or other protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power;
    6. Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial;
    7. Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement;
    8. Taking of hostages

Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in international armed conflict, within the established framework of international law, namely, any of the following acts:

  1. Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;
  2. Intentionally directing attacks against civilian objects, that is, objects which are not military objectives;
  3. Intentionally directing attacks against personnel, installations, material, units or vehicles involved in a humanitarian assistance or peacekeeping mission in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, as long as they are entitled to the protection given to civilians or civilian objects under the international law of armed conflict;
  4. Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;
  5. Attacking or bombarding, by whatever means, towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives;
  6. Killing or wounding a combatant who, having laid down his arms or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion;
  7. Making improper use of a flag of truce, of the flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy or of the United Nations, as well as of the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions, resulting in death or serious personal injury;
  8. The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;
  9. Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives;
  10. Subjecting persons who are in the power of an adverse party to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are neither justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the person concerned nor carried out in his or her interest, and which cause death to or seriously endanger the health of such person or persons;
  11. Killing or wounding treacherously individuals belonging to the hostile nation or army;
  12. Declaring that no quarter will be given;
  13. Destroying or seizing the enemy's property unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war;
  14. Declaring abolished, suspended or inadmissible in a court of law the rights and actions of the nationals of the hostile party;
  15. Compelling the nationals of the hostile party to take part in the operations of war directed against their own country, even if they were in the belligerent's service before the commencement of the war;
  16. Pillaging a town or place, even when taken by assault;
  17. Employing poison or poisoned weapons;
  18. Employing asphyxiating, poisonous or other gases, and all analogous liquids, materials or devices;
  19. Employing bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core or is pierced with incisions;
  20. Employing weapons, projectiles and material and methods of warfare which are of a nature to cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering or which are inherently indiscriminate in violation of the international law of armed conflict, provided that such weapons, projectiles and material and methods of warfare are the subject of a comprehensive prohibition and are included in an annex to this Statute, by an amendment in accordance with the relevant provisions set forth in articles 121 and 123;
  21. Committing outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment;
  22. Committing rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, as defined in article 7, paragraph 2 (f), enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence also constituting a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions;
  23. Utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations;
  24. Intentionally directing attacks against buildings, material, medical units and transport, and personnel using the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions in conformity with international law;
  25. Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including wilfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions;
  26. Conscripting or enlisting children under the age of fifteen years into the national armed forces or using them to participate actively in hostilities.

Hmmmmm
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So like left era is supposed to chill on generalizations but threads can passive-agressively imply that they somehow endorse wishing cancer on people they disagree with?

Tell us how you really feel OP.

(Obviously this is bad. Critique Obama all you want but don't bring cancer or revenge fantasies into politics)
 

NoName999

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Oct 29, 2017
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I wish people cared half as much about the thousands of innocent brown people obama killed and put half as much effort into making passive aggressive remarks to the people constantly defending him as they do about lame tweets from a soon to be nobody who is never going to win an election. Some people need to reevaluate their priorities.

And I wish the people that so called cared about Obama killing innocent brown people actually cared about them and not only during times when they can be used as props to attack a popular former Democratic President.

But alas, neither of us get what we want.
 

jviggy43

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Oct 28, 2017
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And I wish the people that so called cared about Obama killing innocent brown people actually cared about them and not only during times when they can be used as props to attack a popular former Democratic President.

But alas, neither of us get what we want.
I would love for you to expand on how you came to this conclusion.
 

Mekanos

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And I wish the people that so called cared about Obama killing innocent brown people actually cared about them and not only during times when they can be used as props to attack a popular former Democratic President.

But alas, neither of us get what we want.

I have seen people write paragraphs of war apologia on this site, to the faces of posters whose families and countries were affected by war waged by America. This is a stance that has to be challenged or else it will be rationalized further.
 

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I can honestly say you have no fucking clue what and Actual war crimal is. So perhaps you should stop throwing around that word.

www.bbc.com

Drones kill rescuers in 'double tap', say activists

Drones use a two-pronged method, killing those at the scene - and others later, say activists.

The first round of missiles struck a tent in Zowi Sidgi, a village in North Waziristan, at dusk on 6 July 2012. A small group of miners and woodcutters had gathered there for dinner, according to Amnesty International's Mustafa Qadri.

The tent burned. Friends and family members came running to help. A moment later, there was another drone strike. Many of the people who had come to assist their friends and relatives in the tent were also killed.

Altogether 18 people died in the two rounds of drone strikes. One of the victims was a 14-year-old boy. The strikes in Zowi Sidgi fall into a special category of attacks, said Qadri, a lethal operation that includes two phases.

Barack Obama ordered these strikes. I believe this falls under the definition of "war crimes", as this targeted civilians directly. And I think that, in a just world, it wouldn't be controversial to point this out.

And I wish the people that so called cared about Obama killing innocent brown people actually cared about them and not only during times when they can be used as props to attack a popular former Democratic President.

But alas, neither of us get what we want.

You are going to have to elaborate with specifics. Which people are you talking about here, who don't care about innocent brown people and only use them as props?
 

collige

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Oct 31, 2017
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I wish people cared half as much about the thousands of innocent brown people obama killed and put half as much effort into making passive aggressive remarks to the people constantly defending him as they do about lame tweets from a soon to be nobody who is never going to win an election. Some people need to reevaluate their priorities.
This thread is about health care though?
 

jviggy43

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Oct 28, 2017
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This thread is about health care though?
Its also been about insinuating criticisms of Obama here also fall under the same type of attack as the tweet in the OP. And since the majority of criticism against him (especially recently) has been on war crimes and not asking for him to get cancer, it felt worth mentioning.
 

Deleted member 4346

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Back to the original point, Obama re: the ACA, he did support the public option. When the act passed it was meant to be a stopgap solution, which would be improved on under the next Democratic president. Hillary losing in 2016 killed that and put us in our current predicament. You can say that Obama and Harry Reid didn't do enough to whip votes for the public option, and that's a valid criticism, but it is kinda unfair to lay the whole thing on Obama.
 

collige

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Thought: McCain actually got brain cancer and he still wanted to destroy Obamacare until his dying breath, so even if this hypothetical did happen, I don't know that anyone's viewpoint would change anyway.

Its also been about insinuating criticisms of Obama here also fall under the same type of attack as the tweet in the OP. And since the majority of criticism against him (especially recently) has been on war crimes and not asking for him to get cancer, it felt worth mentioning.
My bad, I thought you were the first person to bring up drone strikes. I should've quoted Apharmd's post last page.
 

Merc_

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Oct 28, 2017
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You're never going to get anywhere with black voters by talking shit on Obama.
 

Trey

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Oct 25, 2017
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Considering the amount of political capital Obama had to blow to even get the PPACA in there as is - and how Republicans are still threatening it to this day - this extreme stance on healthcare feels more than a little misguided.
 

Lv99 Slacker

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Oct 27, 2017
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Why are so many people blaming the DSA as a whole in this thread? I'm not aware of this being typical behavior for them.
To undermine the movement? This is the first time I've seen a leftist running for office make a death threat. I follow quite a few leftists on Twitter, and, yes, they levy heavy criticism on Obama his foreign policy and light treatment of the Wall St. executives who were responsible for the '08 financial crisis, but I don't recall any of them making death threats.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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To undermine the movement? This is the first time I've seen a leftist running for office make a death threat. I follow quite a few leftists on Twitter, and, yes, they levy heavy criticism on Obama his foreign policy and light treatment of the Wall St. executives who were responsible for the '08 financial crisis, but I don't recall any of them making death threats.
To be fair this isn't even a death threat, its a wish for suffering. Maybe not in good taste but not even a threat
 

skullmuffins

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Oct 25, 2017
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You're never going to get anywhere with black voters by talking shit on Obama.
you're never going to get anywhere with democrats by shitting on Obama. The man has 95% approval within the party. Not to say you can't criticize some decisions he made, but you're never going to get anywhere running on a platform of "Obama is a piece of shit war criminal who deserves cancer because the ACA wasn't progressive enough"
 

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He's not endorsed by the DSA.

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jviggy43

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Oct 28, 2017
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To undermine the movement? This is the first time I've seen a leftist running for office make a death threat. I follow quite a few leftists on Twitter, and, yes, they levy heavy criticism on Obama his foreign policy and light treatment of the Wall St. executives who were responsible for the '08 financial crisis, but I don't recall any of them making death threats.
Its bad faith distortion thats attempting to blanket shut down anyone who dares be critical of Obama. Theyre using some moron's tweets as a springboard to gaslight an entire movement and group of people rather than confront the criticism the movement or members here have actually said. Its incredibly cowardly and pathetic.

I am surprised his campaign people or the local DSA chapter haven't told him to take the tweet down.
Maybe do some research before shit posting.
 

sapien85

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Nov 8, 2017
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Except Obama expanded healthcare. Maybe attack those trying to undo even the little improvement he made to healthcare like it's tyranny.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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This is dumb for a whole host of reasons but first and foremost Obama is who you went after? As a Democratic candidate? how motherfucking stupid are you