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Z-Beat

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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She definitely had a relationship with a campaign staffer. Bad judgement and tone deaf there, but no rules were broken. She is alleged to have had a relationship with a congressional staffer which is against the rules.
Ahh, okay. So because the throuple was before she entered Congress there's no workplace ethics violation there but she might've had one with this other person while in Congress
 
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OtherWorldly

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Dec 3, 2018
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She resigned because she did nothing unethical but the leaked photos were too much for her so she did it so coverage on her ends and her constituent can move on . She did have an affair but not with a congressional staffer so she could have stayed but the revenge porn was too much for her and wanted to deal with it outside of public eye
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,751
Arizona
Why is having a relationship with staffers against the House rules?
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marmalade

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Nov 28, 2018
567
I hope she can do what the UK didn't and send the fucking daily mail to jail. I hope she fucking ruins the Daily Mail and Red State.

This is a really disappointing outcome, and I hope it doesn't breed precedent. Campaigned for her and she seemed like a sincere, decent person.
 

Soupman Prime

The Fallen
Nov 8, 2017
8,555
Boston, MA
Feel sorry for her, had to deal with some revenge porn which almost got me in real trouble at work. If she really resigned because she wanted to stop then I'm confused. Isn't revenge porn illegal, couldn't she have got him in trouble with the law or something.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Why has no one here mentioned yet that the leaked photos show that she has an Iron Cross tattoo? Seems like that's a pretty big deal in its own right and maybe all the people saying how unfair this was should reckon with that?
 

Hollywood Duo

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Oct 25, 2017
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people who leaked this are goons trying to act like the mafia

Most disgusting thing ever? Yeah ok chief. It's not exactly great but I can think of a couple worse things.

Having said that I am interested in getting the full story here as it seems to be all over the place as to what happened when and with who.
 

marmalade

Member
Nov 28, 2018
567
Why has no one here mentioned yet that the leaked photos show that she has an Iron Cross tattoo? Seems like that's a pretty big deal in its own right and maybe all the people saying how unfair this was should reckon with that?
It's the Independent Skateboard logo. Grew up in the district and tons of CA-25 ppl have that tattoo.
 

pigeon

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Oct 25, 2017
5,447
Alleged revenge porn. Just like the congressional staffer relationship is alleged. You can't apply different standards of proof to both sides. If her husband is definitely behind it she should be able to pursue legal action immediately.

What's...your theory for how these photos were released?
 

Lv99 Slacker

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Oct 27, 2017
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A big weakness Democratic politicians have over Republicans is that they're expected to have integrity.
It's part of the brand of the democratic party. The more cynical, but honest answer is that offering the illusion of choice is part of the gotv (get out the vote) strategy. Want to depress voter turnout? Have them believe that there is hardly any difference between the two parties when it comes to corruption.
 

Strider_Blaze

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Oct 28, 2017
7,957
Lancaster, CA
So what happens to the seat now?
Pretty much a special election will have to take place in order to occupy the seat for the rest of Hill's term. When that will happen, we'll just have to wait and see.

Keep in mind, she was the first Democratic rep elected in district CA-25 in 26 years. That district in particular mostly leaned towards right but in recent years has since leaned more towards the left.
 
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Zhengi

Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
1,898
She's the rep for my district. I think it's likely that a dem will win here. There have been many people who have been living here for years moving out and more diverse people from LA coming here. I know I'll likely vote for the next dem who replaces her.
 

mbpm

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Oct 25, 2017
23,530
Shitty way to lose and be outed, but if you're going to be in office you do need to have higher standards.

Hope she gets her day in court re: the revenge porn thing, but this was kinda untenable anyway apparently.
 

rm082e

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Dec 16, 2017
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User Banned (Permanent): Misogyny; Account in Junior Phase
Cynical opinion: People only "feel sorry" for her because she's an attractive woman. If she were a balding white guy in his late 40's, there would be no sympathy here.
 

pizoxuat

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Jan 12, 2018
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Cynical reply: Look at how people feel about Bill Clinton. Tons of sympathy because they wish they could do what he did too.
 

Nerokis

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Oct 25, 2017
5,560
Cynical opinion: People only "feel sorry" for her because she's an attractive woman. If she were a balding white guy in his late 40's, there would be no sympathy here.

"cynical" isn't the word I'd use to describe this opinion

the fact that this woman was slut shamed, was the victim of revenge porn, and all this other sexist nonsense, and thus had less room to navigate a situation like this than the various men still in office who have done worse, makes this whole thing kinda fucked and makes her a somewhat sympathetic figure, yes
 

ExKage

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Sep 9, 2019
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I'd feel sympathy if it sounded like a case of revenge porn.

It's disappointing for there to be such misconduct but I'm still staring at Duncan Hunter.
 
Oct 27, 2017
16,550
Crazy this'll get someone to resign but blackface and other racists shit keeps you in office. The fact she was a victim of revenge porn is also crazy, that shit needs to be dealt with swiftly and harshly.
 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
38,958
I was a little surprised why someone would have to resign for this, or thought "Well, just another thing about how America is so uptight... If it's a consensual relationship, who cares?" But, I did some digging to learn more why, and it's explicitly against house rules to have relationships with staffers. I worked on campaigns when I was younger and relationships on campaigns between staffers and even the candidate were relatively common ... not necessarily acceptable, but common as a sort of "open secret." At least, everybody would know somebody on some campaign who was allegedly hooking up with someone.

But, in 2018 in the wake of a slew of sexual misconduct allegations, the House passed bipartisan internal rules barring relationships between House members and their staffers:


It's explicitly against the rules, and was passed to prevent abuse, as well as a handful of other changes protecting accusers and shielding tax payers from footing the bill for law suits that come out of relationships like these:

House prohibits sexual relationships between lawmakers and their staffers

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"Thanks to the #MeToo movement, the American public has made it clear that they have had enough," said Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.). "They expect Congress to lead, and for once we are."

The bipartisan bills are Congress's most definitive response to the #MeToo campaign and the wave of harassment and misconduct scandals that have led to at least eight members resigning or announcing plans to retire in the past four months. Amid a national reckoning over sexual misbehavior in the workplace, news reports exposing lawmakers' secretive process for settling harassment complaints with taxpayer dollars pushed House leaders to confront criticisms of the system.

"With this bill we are shining a blazing light on the scourge of workplace abuse, which has been allowed to fester in the shadows for too long," said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

In response to the "Ridiculous that Hill should resign when men wouldn't" or what have you, 8 male congressmen resigned amidst similar allegations of misconduct in 2018. The imbalance of power in relationships like this has always been on the periphery, but now they're front-and-center and this is a response to decades, or perhaps centuries, of potential abuse and liability.

Cynical opinion: People only "feel sorry" for her because she's an attractive woman. If she were a balding white guy in his late 40's, there would be no sympathy here.

I think people feel sympathetically for her because rumors suggest her husband also released compromising photos of her with the person she was seeing, so she's likely a victim of revenge porn as well.

But I think you're right in that if she was a man or a Republican woman, I don't think there'd be many people mourning her resignation over this. .. I'd have written her off as a scumbag. But that'd also change this story pretty significantly in the wake of why the House passed that resolution in 2018 in the first place.
 
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The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
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Also I think it's unlikely that her political career is entirely over. MArk Sanford had one of the most scandalous sexual laisons, he paid an initial political price, but was back in congress a decade later and is now mulling an internal challenge to Trump in 2020 to weak him in South Carolina.


If she's a rising star in the House, it's unlikely to spell the end of her career
 

LegendofJoe

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Oct 28, 2017
12,079
Arkansas, USA
She broke house rules, it's unfortunate, but she made a poor choice and there should be consequences.

It sucks that Republicans aren't held to this standard, but it would suck even more if there were no standards for Democratic politicians as well.

The revenge porn stuff is inexcusable though, her soon to be ex-husband is rightfully going to get nothing from the divorce because of that.

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