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Defender of Family Seperation under Obama - Cecilia Munoz - joins Biden's transition team

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Very very cool


www.democracynow.org

Cecilia Muñoz, Who Defended Family Separations Under Obama, Joins Biden Transition Team

Joe Biden has named President Obama’s former top immigration adviser Cecilia Muñoz to his transition team. During her time in the White House, Muñoz often justified Obama’s harsh immigration enforcement policies, including the administration’s deportation of thousands of Central American...
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Joe Biden has named President Obama's former top immigration adviser Cecilia Muñoz to his transition team. During her time in the White House, Muñoz often justified Obama's harsh immigration enforcement policies, including the administration's deportation of thousands of Central American children and its decision to kill an executive order that would have halted deportations.
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Cecilia Muñoz: "Even Broken Laws Have to be Enforced." | FRONTLINE

Muñoz has dedicated her career to immigration civil rights, both as a MacArthur fellow and as a senior vice president for the National Council of La Raza. She currently serves as President Obama's director of intergovernmental affairs, and explains the administration's current immigration...
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I have read a bunch on her over the past few days and don't view the title of this thread as an accurate description. She was more acknowledging that family separations were happening and asking for law changes to prevent them then she was "defending" family separations.
 
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Newlib said:
I have read a bunch on her over the past few days and don't view the title of this thread as an accurate description. She was more acknowledging that family separations were happening and asking for law changes to prevent them then she was "defending" family separations.
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Cecilia Muñoz: "Even Broken Laws Have to be Enforced." | FRONTLINE

Muñoz has dedicated her career to immigration civil rights, both as a MacArthur fellow and as a senior vice president for the National Council of La Raza. She currently serves as President Obama's director of intergovernmental affairs, and explains the administration's current immigration...
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Newlib said:
I have read a bunch on her over the past few days and don't view the title of this thread as an accurate description. She was more acknowledging that family separations were happening and asking for law changes to prevent them then she was "defending" family separations.
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Do you have one link? I'd like to confirm this, before I start flipping tables.

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NVM, above me.
 
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"its decision to kill an executive order that would have halted deportations."

Was this a proposed executive order? I'm not familiar with the process, he was president, how did the order came about?

Also the blame falls on Obama first, if Biden takes a different approach I would assume she would follow accordingly. The ball is in Biden's hands on this.
 
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P-Bo said:
Do you have one link? I'd like to confirm this, before I start flipping tables.

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NVM, above me.
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She explicitly defends this shit and says they're going after the criminals and then PBS says 60% of the deported persons weren't criminals and she says that it's the law and they have to go after them (they don't actually) and they'll continue to deport 400k people a year

www.pbs.org

Cecilia Muñoz: "Even Broken Laws Have to be Enforced." | FRONTLINE

Muñoz has dedicated her career to immigration civil rights, both as a MacArthur fellow and as a senior vice president for the National Council of La Raza. She currently serves as President Obama's director of intergovernmental affairs, and explains the administration's current immigration...
www.pbs.org
 
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Psychoward said:
www.pbs.org

Cecilia Muñoz: "Even Broken Laws Have to be Enforced." | FRONTLINE

Muñoz has dedicated her career to immigration civil rights, both as a MacArthur fellow and as a senior vice president for the National Council of La Raza. She currently serves as President Obama's director of intergovernmental affairs, and explains the administration's current immigration...
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This makes me feel slightly better-ish?

EDIT: Actually, the interview goes downhill as she's pressed on it. Basically "The law is the law."
 
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Psychoward said:
She explicitly defends this shit and says they're going after the criminals and then PBS says 60% of the deported persons weren't criminals and she says that it's the law and they have to go after them (they don't actually) and they'll continue to deport 400k people a year

www.pbs.org

Cecilia Muñoz: "Even Broken Laws Have to be Enforced." | FRONTLINE

Muñoz has dedicated her career to immigration civil rights, both as a MacArthur fellow and as a senior vice president for the National Council of La Raza. She currently serves as President Obama's director of intergovernmental affairs, and explains the administration's current immigration...
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I know--just finished reading it. These fucking people, so much for hoping this shit was going to change.
 

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No shit. Here's your normalcy back.

I laughed at the fact checking using Muñoz as one source. There's a goddamn ACLU document right there with dates proving them wrong.
 

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Psychoward said:
She explicitly defends this shit and says they're going after the criminals and then PBS says 60% of the deported persons weren't criminals and she says that it's the law and they have to go after them (they don't actually) and they'll continue to deport 400k people a year

www.pbs.org

Cecilia Muñoz: "Even Broken Laws Have to be Enforced." | FRONTLINE

Muñoz has dedicated her career to immigration civil rights, both as a MacArthur fellow and as a senior vice president for the National Council of La Raza. She currently serves as President Obama's director of intergovernmental affairs, and explains the administration's current immigration...
www.pbs.org
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"It's a law that we have to help slave owners capture their escaped slaves, therefore we must uphold it, even if it's a bad law!"
 
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The Biden administration needs to roasted if they make bad choices. There are no free passes for bullshit anymore.
 
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Welcome back to normal, I guess?

How is anyone going to think of ways to push us out of current immigration situation if they believe that "sometimes these things happen"?

The point is, it shouldn't happen. And presenting ourselves as "pragmatic" in the face of inhumane actions makes us worse than people who are open about their bad intentions.

The expectation here isn't that we'll end up without borders these coming two years. That's unrealistic. But if you're just back to buisness as usual, then that's worthless in the face of what we know the cages can be used for (and will be used for, in the future).
 
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Oh also, making excuses about what this all entails? It's inhumane.

If you had all the energy to scream "KIDS IN CAGES!" at people, I'm hoping you'll keep that same energy to go hard af on Biden and co' when immigration is still putting people in cages and at the mercy of ICE.
 

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Scuffed said:
The Biden administration needs to roasted if they make bad choices. There are no free passes for bullshit anymore.
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Get ready for the neverending cycle of:

"The other option was a fascist!"

"This isn't the time to talk about it, you're going to lower the turnout / suppress votes"

"See what you've done? There's nothing we can do now, if only we had won"
 
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AuthenticM said:
disappointing. So much for courting the latino vote.
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What courting?

www.google.com

Biden campaign doesn't consider Latinos 'part of their path to victory,' political operatives say

Former Vice President Joe Biden's campaign has received some scathing reviews from Latino political experts.Biden's primary campaign had a distant, if not "tense," relationship with Latino voters as he not only neglected to reach out to them but never quite rectified "his connection to the Obama...
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I don't want the honeymoon phase to wear off before inauguration but this ain't it Joe. Familial detention policies aren't great. Separation is just straight up immoral.
 
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Lemme link you to his second then

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Joe Biden COVID Adviser Under Fire for 'I Hope to Die at 75' Article

In a piece for The Atlantic, Ezekiel Emanuel wrote in 2014 that 75 is a "pretty good age to aim to stop."
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He's definitely not alone in that opinion, and I don't think it will alter his ability to help Biden curb Covid. Not saying it's a good look, but you tend to garner that feeling when you're subjected to so much pain and misery on a daily basis.
 
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So just back to the standard corporate demcrat moral bankruptcy for the next for years then. America can't keep going through this cycle. Picking a shitty big business democrat because the republican candidate is so awful. That will be the choice again four years unless grassroots left wing activists do the real legwork in the democratic party.
 
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Jombie said:
He's definitely not alone in that opinion, and I don't think it will alter his ability to help Biden curb Covid. Not saying it's a good look, but you tend to garner that feeling when you're subjected to so much pain and misery on a daily basis.
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It's more that Biden reached out to another Emmanuel again for some reason.

Also there was a thread on here about the article but it was less about pain and misery and more about how he didn't see a life worth living after your career is over which is really fucking dark. Also it was super ableist! Also probably shouldn't tap a guy who thinks that for your transition team tackling a disease that primarily affects the elderly.

But thats off topic so I digrrss
 
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Biden being exactly who he is? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you! 2022 is gonna be a blood bath with people like this making policy.
 

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I guess I'm guilty of being in the 'anyone but Trump' crowd, but I just have to hope that even this appointment is a shade better than the baldhead-polarizedwraparound-goatee-yesman who gets a rush of blood into his tiny peen everytime he hears an immigrant scream for their mother. But I know that there are some really great people fighting right now for justice that could have been considered for this role rather than Munoz.
 

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Biden is serious about going back to the Obama admin policies. That means detaining and deporting hundreds of thousands of children. It's disgusting.
 
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Rangerx said:
So just back to the standard corporate demcrat moral bankruptcy for the next for years then. America can't keep going through this cycle. Picking a shitty big business democrat because the republican candidate is so awful. That will be the choice again four years unless grassroots left wing activists do the real legwork in the democratic party.
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Problem is the left wing activists will do all the leg work and then just get shit on by the party establishment at every level whether that's by policy, rhetoric, blame, funding etc.
 
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FuriousDarkElf said:
I guess I'm guilty of being in the 'anyone but Trump' crowd, but I just have to hope that even this appointment is a shade better than the baldhead-polarizedwraparound-goatee-yesman who gets a rush of blood into his tiny peen everytime he hears an immigrant scream for their mother. But I know that there are some really great people fighting right now for justice that could have been considered for this role rather than Munoz.
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Anything is better than Trump. Biden was the moral choice, but that means anyone would've been. At the end of the day, people don't want to hop between two ultimately bad choices.

They want something better.
 
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For all of us that settled for Biden, this is the time to keep fighting. Don't let him get away it
 
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Psychoward said:
What courting?

www.google.com

Biden campaign doesn't consider Latinos 'part of their path to victory,' political operatives say

Former Vice President Joe Biden's campaign has received some scathing reviews from Latino political experts.Biden's primary campaign had a distant, if not "tense," relationship with Latino voters as he not only neglected to reach out to them but never quite rectified "his connection to the Obama...
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Brawly Likes to Brawl said:
Biden was never even remotely interested in courting Latinos.
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My hope was that the results of the 2020 election would have changed that.

Still early I guess, so anything's possible. But this news here isn't inspiring, to say the least.
 
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AuthenticM said:
My hope was that the results of the 2020 election would have changed that.

Still early I guess, so anything's possible. But this news here isn't inspiring, to say the least.
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The party has a very big problem with taking minority votes for granted. I have no idea whether or not that's going to change going forward but it's going to be on them to prove me wrong.
 

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The mindset here is pretty stark and horrible imo. Basically "reform is needed but hasn't happened, so until then we have to enforce the laws as written" meanwhile reform is going nowhere because conservatives are obstructing any kind of progress so they can fear monger about immigration for votes, and the actually 'enforcement' of these laws is being done in an incredibly inhumane manner which is destroying hundreds of thousands of lives. Doesn't occur to them they could just...not enforce the law in that manner, or it does but they don't care/there is money to be made from doing things this way.

Also the "kids in cages/baby prisons" line doesn't work as well as it should because the US incarcerates 48,000 juveniles who are citizens, kids in cages is commonplace here.
 
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