The real joke is that you wrote those words without having played the game yourself.
Anyhoo, pleased to see Control being given plenty of love!
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Death Stranding wins IGN's People's Choice Game of the Year
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The real joke is that you wrote those words without having played the game yourself.
Anyhoo, pleased to see Control being given plenty of love!
Mega64 literally made a video highlighting the phenomena of 'fanboys' getting angry and conspiratorial over review scores in 2012 (albeit from the perspective of the reviewer instead of the developer).
Do you really think that tribalistic flame warring just suddenly started once Death Stranding released?
I will admit that I tend to veer into the negative side too often when it comes to how I post but, no, just because "you saw me posting negative stuff" doesn't make you right in applying the "Kojima hater" label onto me nor does it make you right in resorting to ad hominen attacks instead of actual arguments.
Frankly all that does is make me doubt whether or not any of you actually like the game or whether you're doing it as to not be labelled a 'Kojima hater' and cast out from the community.
...and yes that bit was a joke but, really, it's exactly the same kind of logic that creates "rabid Kojima hater," from "I saw some negative posts you made."
Games like God of War and BotW definitely had fervour on both sides; the major difference is that the critic score reflected that a bit less than opinions on the battlefield. What's happening with "Death Stranding" and "Kojima," is the exact same thing that happened with "Breath of the Wild" and "Nintendo", "God of War" and "Sony," and "Red Dead Redemption 2" and "Rockstar." It's the clash of a somewhat divisive game (in terms of their being very little in the way of 'middle ground' when it comes to the most widespread opinions) with a very popular 'tribe', and I just don't see it as a stretch for Death Stranding to both benefit and suffer from that in the war that will be this year's GOTY discussions.
I don't see why they have to nominate any game if it didn't get on to the list when all the staff's votes were tallied. For such a large organization, many surely enjoyed it but it didn't make the cut. Unless you're saying a list isn't credible simply because Death Stranding isn't on it.
Would it also lack credibility if Control wasn't there? Or Fallen Order? Or The Outer Worlds?
That's exactly my point, IGN (and other sites) being crowded with fanboys. You're just making my point even stronger.
One big happy family, right?
Bullshit!!!
Well, TIL I'm a Kojima fan. Not a fan of the games he make, that I played.
I'm a fan of the maaaaan. I've put waaaay more hours into Death Stranding than MGS V, but I'm a fan of the man.
Generalizations everywhere.
Bullshit!!!
Well, TIL I'm a Kojima fan. Not a fan of the games he make, that I played.
I'm a fan of the maaaaan. I've put waaaay more hours into Death Stranding than MGS V, but I'm a fan of the man.
Generalizations everywhere.
Probably, that doesn't excuse people that are toxic against people that dislike death stranding though.
I don't know why part of you is going to that kind of conspiracy theory ahead of, you know, people just liking this game a lot? Read any GotY thread on this site and you'll see so many people calling DS theirs.
Nobody ever suggested it does.
It's like anything where there are votes...its more on the people who didn't vote. They dont get the right to complain afterwards.
Congrats to death stranding and its fan base really going to bat for the game.
The game has a very passionate following that are in every goty thread possible pushing the game.
It also came out in november and with the controversy around it I think there are a large group of death stranding fans that can pitch together and really push for the game to win every possible user voted award.
Good on them. I hope it wins them all.
Personally I want control and sekiro to win more but I accept that I cant compete with the death strand gang lol.
What makes you think people can't and haven't done that?
A name alone isn't going to make me enjoy a game or its mechanics. There may be such zealots out there but to assume most of us have such a mindset is ridiculous.
Is it really that difficult for you to accept the reality that people genuinely like this game, regardless of Kojima?
Uhhhh I never implied that people never enjoyed the game nor have a problem if people enjoyed it. Why do you keep bringing up emotions into this?
I guess the abundance of people on Era stating DS is their GotY doesn't hint at the fact that, despite its divisive nature, this game just HAS that many who consider it so?
I guess every time a game is popular it's just fanboys then...
Of course however the intention should always be about the game/products and its elements!! Not because of some semi worshipped human being from another realm who happened to travel to our realm, named Hideo fcking Kojima.
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GoW and BoTW had much more lopsided pro-game fervor than DS. Any attempt to suggest the situations are the same feels disingenuous at best. Yes, there are hardline fanboys but the groups dismissing DS aren't limited to the haldline opposition groups in the console wars. Those games won plenty of awards without being "controversial" among level heads.
No, you just implied the only reason a significant number of people voted for it was because of the IGN score it received rather than people enjoying it.
I do wonder if death stranding very divisive nature helps it in this kind of polls where you have to select one favorite game. On era for example it will probably be at a lot of top spots but also a lot of lists it will be totally absent from. That could hurt it against a game that is not in as many top spots, but on a lot more lists in total.
I agree that there are very harmful individuals in executive positions who are massive egotist but the difference is that nobody that I know of is actively praising those people yet a lot of people seem to worship Kojima.
And I truly am happy for people who enjoy it. I have no problem with anyone liking something that I don't but I feel like it's an injustice to feed Kojimas ego. No matter where it comes from I feel that it sends a wrong message in the gaming industry. Just looks at how divided this game alone has made us.
Conspiracy theory as a term has completely lost its bite at this point. Saying that a User Poll from a site with no restrictions on account creation and a relatively lax level of moderation might not be the scientific study that it could be is not a "conspiracy theory."
How?
And why did you my rebuttal to the ad hominen attack?
But they still had a disproportionate amount of fervour compared to other games, and that did benefit them in the same way it could benefit DS as well. The fact that DS is a bit more divisive over all doesn't negate the fact that there are a lot of heated opinions on the game that could influence things from both angles. I mean I doubt you'd argue that even the other front-runners like Sekiro, Control and RE2 have the same level of fervour as Death Stranding has had so I don't see why it's such an out-there idea to suggest that that fervour might have manifested itself here in some way shape or form.
I mean the guy I replied to above directly attacked me as a "Kojima hater," because I wasn't calling it GOTG in every thread. I've been called many things in my time but I doubt that I'd be called a "Sekiro hater," for saying that I really disliked playing that game and am disappointed in the direction it shows FROM going in.
Most or many of his employees followed him directly from Konami, so I somehow doubt he's horrible to work with. Being a perfectionist, super hands on or very particular, isn't the same thing as being an asshole.
But death stranding is supposed to have good gameplay?
I kid, I kid.
Yes, it absolutely is.
If that were the case (that the system was gamed) we have PLENTY of haters who would have done it the opposite direction. It wouldn't ONLY work for DS.
No it doesn't? IGN's own list is the list of what they thought where the best games. The readers choice is the list of what the readers thought was the best game. I rather have their list truly reflect their opinion instead of being influenced of what others think.
Yeah that could change things a lot.
I think looking at the TGA user poll has been interesting to contrast this actually. It started with picking 3 games, today is on 2, tomorrow will be only picking 1. Looks like Smash and Fire Emblem are sweeping pretty hard, but Jedi is ahead of Death Stranding right now. I don't think only one pick will change this much, but on Era the way a game is weighted could help a lot if, when it shows on a list, it's basically only at the top.
Though TGA does need a log in to verify the vote. It is super easy to game the IGN one if someone wanted to troll.
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While i do think that the IGN forum mod was wrong and petty, this thread is kinda embarrassing.
So if I enjoyed DS am I an automatic Kojima fanboy? Or do I need to have enjoyed most if not all of his creative output?
I'm just wondering because people love tossing around these labels without bothering to explain what they mean.
Personally, I'm a huge fan of a myriad of developers and studios but that alone doesn't make me a zealot or some frothing lunatic unable to cast a critical eye towards their respective works.
Yes, that's how it works here.
It's impossible to like this game for any other reason.
Read the post you replied to, it's not hard to understand, if you're just gonna jump around it then there is nothing more to add.
Because there is nothing to discuss about it and there was no such thing as you're implying.
The system is very easily gamed. It's a free-to-join internet forum, not a voting booth and not even Era.
Similarly the "PLENTY" of haters who could have, somehow, rigged the poll in their favour (how and, more relevantly, why would they do that?) might have just not done it. They're not mutually exclusive elements; you don't need one to 'prove' the other.
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Who are you kidding? This is what routinely happens, Death Stranding or Kojima haters making things bigger than they are and disingenuously trying to put fans of the game under the bus in a drive by low bait sort of way.
I'm having water retention just by reading it's incredible. Btw, Of course, DS is the GOTY.
We're in for quite a ride.
Yup.
Yeah, like when Walking Dead won..I wonder how did folks take that.
Being a fan is bad. Don't ever be a fan.
Pokemon is in competition with this. F*ing post-Dexit Pokemon. And yes, Sekiro, with the revival of the game difficulty debate and RE2 just for being RE2 and very good had their own time in the spotlight as well.
Na, sorry, but it remains conspiracy theory nonsense that DS fans just happened to game it while the opposite didn't.
I didn't expect you to push this nonsense, Plum.
To be more clear, I'm referring specifically to the potential possibility of folks not necessarily even playing the game and are just "trolling" in this sense by voting for the game since the official review of the game didn't favor it at all. As I said already, it's not to detract from the quality of the game and the game not deserving the award on its own merit regardless. I played it and beat it 55hours in. It was a great experience that I'm glad I did experience, but not my goty. I totally get why it is folks goty though.
I'm a gameplay first, story/characters waaaaaaaay second kinda guy. Death Stranding does not appeal to me for that reason. The discussion has been a fun ride though.