The second pronunciation is the correct one.
The second pronunciation is the correct one.
I'm gonna say this here as well as I said in the main topic.
The ending of the game really resonated with me on an emotional level as a new parent. I was sitting in complete silence watching the last few minutes and pretty sure I let out an audible "nooooo" when Cliff drops Sam/BB on the ground after he is accidentally shot.
Then the whole incinerator scene. Lou starting to form a strand cord and seeing other floating BB's signifying all the other BB's that were burned in the incinerator got me real fucking good. Lou waking up and crying was probably the happiest narrative moment in any medium I've had in a long while.
Is it overly melodramatic ? Sure.
Was it an effective ending ? Abso-fucking-lutely.
Of course everyone's personal mileage may vary.
The worst part for me was that you couldn't even explore the surrounding area. It would have been cool at least to see how far you could travel before the credits finished rolling, but no...it just teleports you back to the beach if you get too far.I absolutely hate Sam's beach sequence. It's an overly long exposition dump that serves to undercut Amelie's beach sequence, both emotionally and logically.
Just give me a quick cutscene over whatever the fuck that was supposed to be.
I absolutely hate Sam's beach sequence. It's an overly long exposition dump that serves to undercut Amelie's beach sequence, both emotionally and logically.
Just give me a quick cutscene over whatever the fuck that was supposed to be.
I kept testing to see how far I could go before it would teleport me back.The worst part for me was that you couldn't even explore the surrounding area. It would have been cool at least to see how far you could travel before the credits finished rolling, but no...it just teleports you back to the beach if you get too far.
I stand by my earlier post that certain reveals should've come earlier. For instance, the Cliff-Sam reveal should've come sooner. The scene where Die-Hardman confesses to Sam would've worked SO much better if Sam knew he was the one that killed his father.
The ordering of the reveals near the end makes little to no sense. Like the Cliff reveal would have worked better after the Vietnam scene as that's really the last time you interact with Cliff.I stand by my earlier post that certain reveals should've come earlier. For instance, the Cliff-Sam reveal should've come sooner. The scene where Die-Hardman confesses to Sam would've worked SO much better if Sam knew he was the one that killed his father.
I think it was supposed to be a jab at MGSV or something? A lot of fervor around that game was that it felt "unfinished."The beach scene is the weirdest thing, I guess Kojima wanted to frustrate the player because when you press the 'talk" button sometimes Sam says things like "Is this even finished?" and "I think I found a bug", but I can't even begin to understand what was the point of Amelie telling you her story again.
And I'd go further to say you don't need the reveal scene at all. I felt like the actual "reveal" was at the end of the Vietnam scene. The camera blinks and zooms into Sam, and Cliff hugs Sam and not BB in that scene. I feel like you can't get anymore obvious then that. We didn't need an almost hour long end sequence for this obvious twist.The ordering of the reveals near the end makes little to no sense. Like the Cliff reveal would have worked better after the Vietnam scene as that's really the last time you interact with Cliff.
The implication was pretty clear the first time Cliff says "they told me you're Sam Bridges, but you're Sam Porter". It should have been spoken in dialogue in the Vietnam flashback ending in their final fight. Although I guess at that point the game pretty much outright said it without having to say it with the whistling and Sam finishing Cliff's whistle from memory.
I guess Kojima thought he needed to make it extra clear for the people not paying attention or something lol.
The continuity of Cliff hugging Sam the same way in both instances (Vietnam and in the final flashback) before being shot in the back was good though.
The ordering of the reveals near the end makes little to no sense. Like the Cliff reveal would have worked better after the Vietnam scene as that's really the last time you interact with Cliff.
So, did amelie bring lou back to life? As she has part of the knot necklace when she comes back? If so, how does she manage to find her on the beach if she disconnected hers from everyone?
It's not so much about clarity, we all basically figured it out by then. But until the final end flashback, Sam didn't figure it out. Thus, he has this emotional confession by Die-Hardman where he doesn't know that he's the one that killed his dad. The scene is far more powerful with the knowledge that he's also asking for Sam's forgiveness. And, Sam having to decide whether or not to forgive him.
One of my biggest disappointments with the story is how little the characters are really used and developed. Like, exposition aside, what was the role of Deadman? I thought his thing about not having his own beach would be relevant in some way or another, but I don't recall of it being even mentioned again.
And don't get me started on Heartman, his entire character is just the scene from his reveal trailer. It's a great scene, but it's just that.
I always thought that the characters were one of the biggest strengths of MGS, so I can't comprehend what the hell happened with this game.
Speaking of characters, Mama and Lockne got the Gundam 00 Lockon treatment where Lockne serves solely as a Mama stand-in so Kojima can kill Mama off and have no story consequences.
Speaking of characters, Mama and Lockne got the Gundam 00 Lockon treatment where Lockne serves solely as a Mama stand-in so Kojima can kill Mama off and have no story consequences.
I loved the fact that they did the fusion dance and became Lockma/Mackne. I was so entertained.When they did the fusion dance I was legit creeped out, even if that wasn't the intention of the scene. I really hope Kojima goes full horror on his next game
One of my biggest disappointments with the story is how little the characters are really used and developed. Like, exposition aside, what was the role of Deadman? I thought his thing about not having his own beach would be relevant in some way or another, but I don't recall of it being even mentioned again.
And don't get me started on Heartman, his entire character is just the scene from his reveal trailer. It's a great scene, but it's just that.
I always thought that the characters were one of the biggest strengths of MGS, so I can't comprehend what the hell happened with this game.
The 10th time he gave a thumbs up at the camera, I was like "Yeah OK we get it .. 4th wall and stuff"
So let's delve a bit into Amelie/Bridget. So Amelie's plan was to pretend to be kidnapped by Higgs as a way to force Sam to connect the chiral network and quicken the extinction event? Is there a reason why she just didn't do it herself or simply have Higgs do it? Or why Higgs was trying to control her at the end despite the two having a similar goal in mind?
Or is this a case of Amelie/Bridget initially not wanting an extinction before the initial Death Stranding, then realized extinction will happen anyway and so repurposes the chiral network to hasten humanity's death, then decides no and wants Sam to stop her, then finally decided she gives up and will let Sam decide?
I mean, if the whole point was to build the network, why Princess Beach didn't help Bridges and her people to cross the country? The biggest hardship are the BTs, but she's able to control them.
I guess she still wanted to be stopped, so she used Sam to make the decision for her.
Well Amelie and Bridges as an entity weren't seeing eye to eye. She was claiming the chiral network would help everyone, which was the initial plan, but then decided to use it to bring about the Last Stranding. I'm not sure if her decision to cause the Last Stranding was before or after her capture by Higgs. Either way seems like Higgs could have just put the remaining locations on to the chiral network for her unless the idea was they needed someone to con the different locations and Sam was the unsuspecting peddler while Higgs was too well known.I took it as Higgs was too unstable and Bridges would probably not want to work with him (Higgs) however Sam can successfully connect everyone together, and hence everyone has access to (or Amelie can access them via ) Amelie's beach.
The whole Higgs confrontation was a ruse, Amelie was always in control and could possibly even have been manipulating Higgs while portraying herself as a victim to motivate Sam. Amelie couldn't bridge the world together because she's stuck (?) in the beach and needs Sam to connect everything together so she has access.
Yeah, she came off as a reluctant villain. Doesn't want to enact her plan and desperately wants someone to stop her (even though she wouldn't say it), but thinks that the world's fate is futile and sort of just resigned herself to it.
Well Amelie and Bridges as an entity weren't seeing eye to eye. She was claiming the chiral network would help everyone, which was the initial plan, but then decided to use it to bring about the Last Stranding. I'm not sure if her decision to cause the Last Stranding was before or after her capture by Higgs. Either way seems like Higgs could have just put the remaining locations on to the chiral network for her unless the idea was they needed someone to con the different locations and Sam was the unsuspecting peddler while Higgs was too well known.
Also if Amelie is in control, why the whole elaborate kidnapping stuff in Edge Knot City? At that point Sam's purpose had been fulfilled and wasn't needed any longer. Why do this whole kidnapping business to the beach? Also why did Amelie push Sam out of Bridget/Amelie's beach?
But why does that matter to her? The whole thing involving Cliff and Die Hardman has no impact whatsoever on her.I guess she didn't want to reveal the truth about Die Hardman/Cliff at that point. If Sam had stayed around with those 2, DHardman would have probably started talking and spilling his guts right there right then.
Would that really matter, though? Like, the next time they meet Amelie tells Sam that she's going to end the world. That's pretty big.I guess she didn't want to reveal the truth about Die Hardman/Cliff at that point. If Sam had stayed around with those 2, DHardman would have probably started talking and spilling his guts right there right then.
But why does that matter to her? The whole thing involving Cliff and Die Hardman has no impact whatsoever on her.
Would that really matter, though? Like, the next time they meet Amelie tells Sam that she's going to end the world. That's pretty big.
I think she just didn't want to let Sam discover that Cliff was his father. Maybe she wasn't ready yet.
I guess because she needs Sam to make an independent decision about either shooting her or letting her destroy the world in the ending.
It's worth reiterating how 80% of the Cliff twist hangs on Cliff not using his son's actual name throughout the game and just continually refers to him as BB instead of his already named child.
It's worth reiterating how 80% of the Cliff twist hangs on Cliff not using his son's actual name throughout the game and just continually refers to him as BB instead of his already named child.
Well Amelie and Bridges as an entity weren't seeing eye to eye. She was claiming the chiral network would help everyone, which was the initial plan, but then decided to use it to bring about the Last Stranding. I'm not sure if her decision to cause the Last Stranding was before or after her capture by Higgs. Either way seems like Higgs could have just put the remaining locations on to the chiral network for her unless the idea was they needed someone to con the different locations and Sam was the unsuspecting peddler while Higgs was too well known.
Also if Amelie is in control, why the whole elaborate kidnapping stuff in Edge Knot City? At that point Sam's purpose had been fulfilled and wasn't needed any longer. Why do this whole kidnapping business to the beach? Also why did Amelie push Sam out of Bridget/Amelie's beach?
In Cliff's death monologue, seems like BB was already named. The last cutscene was mostly of Sam's memories and not actually with Cliff (I think???) and there Cliff explains Sam's name and all.Did cliff name his son ? I don't recall him calling BB Sam, must've missed it. (guessing Sam was a name chosen by Bridget in the first place).
It's worth reiterating how 80% of the Cliff twist hangs on Cliff not using his son's actual name throughout the game and just continually refers to him as BB instead of his already named child.
Also why was Amelie trying to support Cliff killing Sam (powering Cliff via the dolls and all)? She needed Sam to complete the chiral network.
The more I think about this story, the more it falls apart logically.
Was anyone else hoping that the game would go full meta and start using other players as a plot device? Like, they mention a couple of times that the beaches are some kind of multiverse, so I was kind of hoping to actually see another player on Sam's beach at the end
Also why was Amelie supporting Cliff attempting to kill Sam (powering Cliff via the dolls and all)? She needed Sam to complete the chiral network.
The more I think about this story, the more it falls apart logically.
Does it explain how Higgs knew about Bridget's death? I know he can control BTs, but I don't know if his "sniffing" came from Amelie as well.