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Death Stranding - Review Thread (see staff post for discussion guidelines)
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The first thing I thought of when I saw the vast scale of the Death Stranding landscape was that in VR, this would have a significantly higher impact on people that would keep more people interested. It wouldn't fix the divisive opinions, but it would help for sure. Though PSVR wouldn't be able to handle it, and there's just plenty of reasons why Kojima didn't go down that road. We know he wants to do a VR project at some point, but that's probably not until at least for another 2 games, so maybe in 5-7 years.
Thanks for the heads up on that. I listened to a few episodes of the Waypoint podcast a while back, and Rob consistently chimed in with well-informed, very carefully articulated points of view, so I'm definitely interested to see what he has to say.
Pulling up the written review now, it's certainly nice to see that he cared enough about the subject of misogyny (and its presence in Kojima's previous games) to address it within his review, and he has some largely encouraging (albeit not uniformly positive) comments in other domains as well:
I'll mention that Rob's praise for the traversal mechanics seems consistent with what John (of Digital Foundry) was saying earlier in the thread, in case anyone tuning into the thread just now missed that discussion:
See ya. Maybe next time you quote someone saying an outlet said exactly that the gameplay is amazing or great maybe actually time stamp a video where they actually say that. Because the one you provided absolutely did not say that and I'm genuinely concerned that you think it does.
I dunno; partly that sounds intuitive to have a game with a huge gameplay loop surrounding realistic-ish walking / balance / weight management be VR but VR is really tricky on the brain for a ton of games, and I can imagine a game where you are constantly off balance (but don't actually feel the inertia of being off balance in real life) would make a lot of people ill.
It's interesting because I also really enjoy traversal in games, but I have the opposite reaction to the description of this game. I'm still super curious about it and I could be VERY wrong but the appeal of traversal sounds like it would be ruined by the micro-management, being off balance, etc.
But I won't know until I try it lol
I don't have time to read the last 20 pages, but jesus christ this post.
The gap is mostly visible in the US and a bit in the UK, the worlwilde reception is varied but not that harsh.
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You'd think mature adults would be above embarrassing confirmation bias bullshit posts, but here we are. Typical review thread.
I think I'm going to reserve judgement and see for myself whether this is a masterpiece or a turd. I think a lot of posters here would benefit from holding their tongues and doing the same, or just ignore this if the premise is a turn off.
It does seem like it comes down to what you want your games to be as to whether DS is a game that will resonate. Do you want something bold and challenging, or fun. Or both. Taking the variance of the reviews, from the awesome Heather Alexander review on Kotaku to Giant Bomb's mauling, I'm convinced this is one I need to form my own opinion of. Without playing it, I can't say whether it's pretentious crap or a sharp social commentary. Thread is fun though
It does seem like it comes down to what you want your games to be as to whether DS is a game that will resonate. Do you want something bold and challenging, or fun. Or both. Taking the variance of the reviews, from the awesome Heather Alexander review on Kotaku to Giant Bomb's mauling, I'm convinced this is one I need to form my own opinion of. Without playing it, I can't say whether it's pretentious crap or a sharp social commentary. Thread is fun though
Because something that generates strong divergent opinions is more interesting than something safe and traditional.
Though the reviews with this are heavily skewed towards good scores, so not really a great example of something very divisive.
Because "people" like explosions... and only explosions.
Not everyone is down on it. It's more like "GB say it's BAAAAD, I like GB so it's BAD!". If you know what you're getting into then you should be able to make a decision to avoid or buy based on your preferences.
There will still be a million "I have played for X hours when does it get better?", and "I can't sit through hour long cutscenes: this game is thrash" threads as per usual.
This looks so amazing
After the reviews i am sure this be a certified classic
I never doubted Kojima - but i really thought he would just reskin metal gear in a way (which would have been fine)
This seems just SO much more interesting than that though.
A TRULY original AAA title? Mind blown
After the reviews i am sure this be a certified classic
I never doubted Kojima - but i really thought he would just reskin metal gear in a way (which would have been fine)
This seems just SO much more interesting than that though.
A TRULY original AAA title? Mind blown
Don't worry, people agreed with the post too. Even better!
The Tim from Kotaku review is the greatest video review I have ever watched, brilliant. I then listened to hours of Giant Bomb going over the game which many hate it, some are confused. I read so many reviews that have no clue what to say.
seriously, reading and Watching the reaction to this game is fascinating, never have I seen such trepidation when reviewing something. Some think it's boring but brilliant. Some say it's horrible but bold. The faces and noises they make when talking about it says so much, it's wild. I am more intrigued than ever to play.
seriously, reading and Watching the reaction to this game is fascinating, never have I seen such trepidation when reviewing something. Some think it's boring but brilliant. Some say it's horrible but bold. The faces and noises they make when talking about it says so much, it's wild. I am more intrigued than ever to play.
Edge kotaku GB will probably bring it below 80 mc eventually
I was already sold, but this has sold me extra
I love the act of exploring a new world, taking my time (even RP walking) and taking in the sights. I find this to be very zen and relaxing.
This game sounds like it'll mesh well with me
It's not divisive.
From all available data, most people like it.
Are people actually listening and watching their content on the game or is this just a meme now? A lot of the stuff getting praised by reviewers - the look and atmosphere, the feeling of embarking on a hike, the meditative quality of the quieter moments, the social systems, the progression as new gear comes into play - they all praise as well. Vinny and Alex go out of their way to say they don't hate the game and they want people to play it and experience it regardless.
I think it's great that it is divisive. HK had to have known that trying something out of the box would draw mixed reviews. I'm definitely there day 1 and I applaud him for not just reskinning for a new MGS-typed themed game that would be a for-sure big time seller.
It's pretty interesting that the game is still at 84MC, even though it's so divisive. I was hoping Death stranding secretly had amazing stealth/action gameplay.
The negatives, such as incredibly reptitive fetch quests, slow pace make me a bit less excited to play, but I'm still picking this up down the line, even just as a strong curiosity. It still sounds like there's something special at its heart.
What are you doing in action games without the action? It spunds like you prefer more story focused adventure games? Whoch is totally cool, I'm just confused by your statement.
The negatives, such as incredibly reptitive fetch quests, slow pace make me a bit less excited to play, but I'm still picking this up down the line, even just as a strong curiosity. It still sounds like there's something special at its heart.
What are you doing in action games without the action? It spunds like you prefer more story focused adventure games? Whoch is totally cool, I'm just confused by your statement.
This is pretty dismissive towards some of the criticisms towards this game (even in some positive reviews), but if you want to reduce it down to "Haters just want dumb shootbangs" then don't let me stop you.
I want to say this is a great post and sums up exactly why lots of people are excited for the game and why plenty of positive reviews have given them even more reason to be excited.
Too me a walking sim is when you literally just walk with no real objective other than to maybe read sheets of paper and look in drawers. I feel like there's more going on here.
You need to call out specific people, vaguely anguishing at unspecified ERA members is always annoying
He's alt-right garbage.
But even before that became a thing, I noticed his videos were pretty misleading and manufactured to stir up controversy.
It's more like if you buy this game and then complain about it because you're "bored" please don't let the world know. We know this game will be a glorious mess and if you haven't done the research and expect a "Shootbang" that's on you.
It's ok to not like things. Unfortunately people will expect a certain experience from a AAA game and sony will push this game hard for Christmas and the game will leave a lot of people nonplussed and we'll never hear the end of it.
The rougher reviews are actually making me even more eager to start this than the positive ones. Was going to play regardless but really, really looking forward to this now.
Why would art require a shifting perception to the positive due to empathy to the artist?