Suuuuper excited to play this next week!
It's always so sounded like my kind of game and todays reviews re affirm that for me.
It's always so sounded like my kind of game and todays reviews re affirm that for me.
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Death Stranding - Review Thread (see staff post for discussion guidelines)
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But the walking simulator genre isnt about traversal? Gone Home is about exploring a confined space and a lot of the Walking Sim genre is more about audiologs so the comparison isn't really that accurate.
Such a shame for what had the potential to be something amazing. It looked like Kojima wanted to make a movie inside a game, and used the gameplay as an artistic impression without giving much thought if it would be fun to play.
I'd say that if this was 2017 or 2018, Disco Elysium wouldn't win GOTY (see Divinity: Original Sin 2 vs Persona 5 in 2017), but it reviewed really well, and this year's been quite weak - greatly increasing its chances of getting a major award.
I can't see any other games other than the five that I listed that I think would get a significant amount of GOTY awards. Every other game either didn't review too well (Death Stranding, Outer Worlds and Luigi's Mansion 3 reviewed pretty well, but a game with an 85 Metascore being the consensus GOTY would be unprecedented), or didn't have enough staying power to win many GOTY awards (Mario Maker 2, Astral Chain).
I'd say that at best, Death Stranding will settle at 87, assuming that the rest of the reviews average around 95.
I have found a good math exercice for teachers.
"Considering an average result based on 71 reviews, find how many 8 and 9 would be needed to negate a 3."
I'm not planning to buy the game and can''t comment on its quality but you can defend any old crap by saying it's artistic. I'm sure some people said critics were too immature to appreciate Only God Forgives or Guy Ritchie's Revolver.
What's embarrassing about people wanting their entertainment to be entertaining?
That's reality slapping you in the face right there ...
A little humble pie never hurt anybody.
I'd put an outside bet on it winning a BAFTA or two, since they often go for the less obvious picks.
Its not just the lag, of which there's an innately crummy netcode stacked on top of a buffering system that's present even in local play.
Everything about the matchmaking, the ranking system, the baffling decision to disable taunts, Arenas completely shutting down when the maker leaves(or ragequits) etc etc is dogshit even by Japanese fighting game standards, which are already notoriously lackluster.
Not everyone wants to play games that aren't 'fun', or watch films that aren't 'entertaining', and I think that's fine.
Personally I really enjoy games and other media that are more toned towards an experience rather than pure fun or entertainment, but I can certainly understand why some feel the way they do about this game and their opinions aren't really invalid.
I feel like if you removed Kojima's name from this game the average review score would be a point lower than it is right now. Nothing about this game sounds fun to me. The word tedious doesn't just come to mind, it screams out from the impressions I've seen.
Kojima is a very talented person, and I think he's incredibly skilled at crafting a trailer, but for me to want the play a video game I have to find the gameplay engaging and enjoyable.
Kojima is a very talented person, and I think he's incredibly skilled at crafting a trailer, but for me to want the play a video game I have to find the gameplay engaging and enjoyable.
While that is true, I think that post also misses the mark. The difference is budget and this very significant. In any field of life, creative experimentation tends to get reduced as you increase the scale of the operation. Most indy games are much smaller scale and not cumbered by the same expetitions of something of this profile and budget. That is not in anyway to degrade what they are doing - most experimentation is being done by indy devs. But it is not really comparible. Let's see if some of those devs who acquire budgets way beyond the indy level demonstrate the same amount of creative daring. maybe they will. But tons of examples of say movie directors who have done crazy student products, that go on to produce some of the most commercially designed directed by committee movies like Avengers Infinity War
Orrrr the small experimental games that actually experimented.
I don't recall ever canceling a preorder after hearing review impressions. This might be the first time.
I was listening to the Beastcast; harsh to say the least. I'm not sure I want to play what was referred to as American Trucking Simulator directed by Kojima.
I was listening to the Beastcast; harsh to say the least. I'm not sure I want to play what was referred to as American Trucking Simulator directed by Kojima.
Schindler's List is engaging every step of the way.
If a movie is actively wanting to elicit boredom, that movie has failed.
I'm not sure why this matters? Both parties deserve credit. This game doesn't exist at this scale without Sony and the game doesn't exist in this form without Kojima Productions.
They tend to give off that vibe, but they latch onto weird stuff regularly as well — like with Deadly Premonition 2 recently. I definitely disagree with them more often than not, but I can usually also get why they don't like something. Sometimes they're just flat out wrong about things though :')
"Death Stranding's helix of cinema and game contains about as much Tarkovsky and slowness as one could possibly cram into a game before making it a certifiably bad game" - Tim Rogers
Tarkovsky being the director I am most often mindblown by in his deliberateness and commitment to his style and frankly, absolute, undeniable genius, one could not praise the cinematic quality of a videogame any higher than with these words. And I'm sure it would have a lot of players scrambling for the hills, far far away from DS if they had any idea about the type of movies he made.
oh agree to disagree, i got plenty of fun games to play.
this sounds like an weird experience which only comes one in a blue moon.
It will climb quite often but every now and then a really low score will bring it back down, I imagine there's at least a few super low scores yet to come in.
There's a distinct difference between a game not being traditionally "fun" (think something like Papers, Please) but making its point succinctly while still being contemplative and honoring its oppressive tone vs. a game asking you to put in 30 hours "to get to the good part"
Oh, I definitely agree, it making it to the safe space of AAA is cool thing I welcome with open arms, and that's pretty dope and I hope is the start of more weird and risky games making it to the mainstream. But I'll still side-eye anyone trying to pretend Kojima is being a genius for making a weird artsy conceptual unique game and that he's the first one to do so, while, technically, he really really isn't. What he has over those other indie game devs is the money, funds, hype and popularity. But genius conceptual creativity? No, that's absolutely not brand new in the video game industry, for sure.
This game has had me thinking on the "games have to be fun argument". I vehemently disagree games have to be fun, but they like every piece of art, they do have to be engaging. You can be engaging in games in several different ways. Mechanics, story, lore, world exploration. I can see how Death Stranding is engaging, even if it may not be for me.
I thought it might be Outer Worlds or Resident Evil 2. They seem to be universally liked.
I'm still willing to bet that Outer Worlds will win most GOTY awards.
How different the vibe is in here compared to the outer worlds and Luigi Mansion thread. In there mid 80s is great, here it's a flop lol
You know, the real balancing act of making art, is making sure people want to consume your art. You can make an amazing movie, it's just shots of people sighing, I'm gonna tell you - People are going to find it tedious even in the most art-house theaters. The game should be "fun to play" in the same way movies should be "pleasing to watch", they don't have to be so throughout, and they can delve into hard stuff, but if the overall experience is bad, people won't consume it at all.
Also, Death Stranding is not the first game to not put "fun" on the pedestal, so I don't think that's all there is to it.
That said, I would like to try DS eventually, but I'll be frank - I'm going to wait for a while. I love experimental games, I don't like games that utterly waste my time, and it seems like DS does that quite a bit.
There are "boring" movies too(Valhalla rising), doesn't mean they failed in some arbiter way.
I don't know, I just think there's humour in a B-tier usually under the radar Nintendo game that released close to the hype train that was ~Kojima Unleashed~ getting a higher Metacritic score.
Yes I know Metacritic scores actually mean nothing, it's just something that made me chuckle. I'll still be getting Death Stranding whatever its score was.
Yeah people are acting very weird about these reviews. How will they ever recover from a new IP getting 86 on Open Critic? Pray for Sony please!
People keep forgetting that these are games and not movies.
I'll gladly sit through a "boring" yet compellingly shot and written film like Citizen Kane any day of the week.
And yet there are so many games that expect me to sit through 30+ hours of whatever to reach the point they're trying to make.
It's nuts.
Goty awards thread will be a warzone. Everybody thought deathstranding would take most of the awards.
But there are classic films that try to evoke a sense of repetition and drudgery. Bela Tarr's The Turin Horse, Haneke's The White Ribbon, and Imamura's The Insect Woman for example.
Yes! To quote myself (easier than typing it all out again lol);