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Death Stranding - Review Thread (see staff post for discussion guidelines)
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Wait a minute, didnt that other User on the spoiler thread said to expect a MC score of 90-94?
Why? What's the purpose in that standard other than just to say it exists? What is actually being accomplished with it?
While there is no technical requirement, it makes sense that by completing a book or game or film, you have a fuller basis to judge the product. I don't think this should up for debate though. You don't to review absolutely everything. It speaks to our ADD culture when even reviewers perceive they don't even have time to complete the products they are reviewing. I understand how job constraints work, but I also think it isn't a good thing. Even if the game is shit, if you are going to review it you should complete it. Otherwise, don't review it. it is pretty simple. Well I suppose there are exceptions where a game might take 1,000 of hours to review or may be an online rpg or some such which you can't complete in a traditonal sense.
Wait, are you actually suggesting that there is no value to applying standards above? surely not. The purpose of standards is to have some assurance of credibility and reliability. That someone is forming an opinion based on fairly well thought out criterion.
Yeah, true. Just like Hollow Knight: Silksong could absolutely be a contender next year, but it won't even get a mention in amongst the Cyberpunk and FFVII storm (not that competition is bad or anything).
For me, nothing has even come close to Outer Wilds this year.
I'm serious homie :) A Respawn-made-Star Wars game launching late in the year before GotY season has a very good shot. And this is coming from someone that loved Sekiro. I'm being a bit cheeky though since none of us have got to play it ourselves yet.
I'm glad DS is generating so much conversation regardless of what people think of its overall quality. I'm not that thrilled that there doesn't appear to be a lot of "Game" to the game, certainly not what I'm the mood for. Hopefully I can avoid spoilers until I decide its a good time to play it.
What I read in this thread...
Reviews read like it's one of the worst games ever yet they gave it a good/perfect score. How can that be? Boo.
This guys. This is how you should view reviews.
Reviews read like it's one of the worst games ever yet they gave it a good/perfect score. How can that be? Boo.
This guys. This is how you should view reviews.
Do you mean Outer Worlds?
Honest question because I keep getting the two confused, but I think I've heard more people rave about Worlds.
Reviewers should absolutely give a game a fair shot, but to say they need to finish a game they don't like to review it is flawed. It means aggregate scores would be artificially inflated because some portion of the people that didn't like it enough to finish it could never post a review. They should be upfront with the portion of the game they played in their review though.
Both known for complexity of plot but Kojima isn't close to as great of a writer so he can't pull it off is how I interpret most of it.
Well, I do think they're interpreting mission objectives in the standard way - the objective itself (reaching the point) isn't what is interesting. It's what happens along the way.
15 minutes into the quick look, 30 hours into the game...
Brad: "ok I'm going to deliver this pizza, this is a highly technical delivery because the pizza has to be held horizontal!"
*Brad picks up the pizza by hand*
Brad: "See! It's gone vertical! My pizza is taking damage!"
Brad in menus: "oh my god, the clock is really ticking, my pizza is really taking a lot of damage."
My pizza is taking damage is one of the best quotes I've ever seen about a game.
Brad: "ok I'm going to deliver this pizza, this is a highly technical delivery because the pizza has to be held horizontal!"
*Brad picks up the pizza by hand*
Brad: "See! It's gone vertical! My pizza is taking damage!"
Brad in menus: "oh my god, the clock is really ticking, my pizza is really taking a lot of damage."
My pizza is taking damage is one of the best quotes I've ever seen about a game.
This mostly just exposes the fact that you don't read a lot of film criticism, because there are absolutely examples of perfectly legitimate critics walking out of a movie before it's finished and then formulating a a critique based on the time that they spent with the product, which as long as they mention that they did not finish the work is perfectly fine.
Especially in the case of video games where the vast majority of the audience isn't going to finish it the product it's totally legitimate.
I expected an 83 MC and the score is now an 84 with 71 reviews. Kojima officially exceeded my expectations but I would have gotten it during the month of release anyway as long as it reviewed over 60 as I finished all the games he directed and nearly all he produced.
Era threads about Kojima (a deeply flawed but interesting director) are never fun, so I won´t do this to myself. MGS4 was his last directorial effort I was truly satisfied with so i hope that my apriciation of him will go up again after finishing DS.
Era threads about Kojima (a deeply flawed but interesting director) are never fun, so I won´t do this to myself. MGS4 was his last directorial effort I was truly satisfied with so i hope that my apriciation of him will go up again after finishing DS.
Not gonna act like I'm familiar with those authors but at a quick glance basically Kojima is masquerading as a better author then he actually is in his opinion
I'm entirely unsurprised it's so divisive. To me, it's looked like a hugely pretentious exercise in aimless wandering for a while. I can see how people would really enjoy it though and it does look utterly beautiful. I just, personally, don't understand the cult of personality around Kojima.
I get that. I don't get the concept of "can't finish" though. With the exception of hitting deadlines, there's no reasonable explanation for not being able to finish a game. I don't have much of a problem with them releasing a review of a game they haven't finished if they're honest about it, but I will take them less seriously as a reviewer moving forward.
"Anticipated" doesn't feel like the right word as far as gaming products go. Thereabsolute feral hype towards this hilariously over marketed product. And as usual for folks that lived in that bubble, they lose it when that bubble bursts and the reality comes forward out the conspiracy and rumourmongering.
Critic reviews frequently bare little resemblance to how I feel about a game, and I want to avoid spoilers and the forum / hype bubbles. So I'm looking at few trusted users / critical comments and then friends who play, will continue to have only a bare core understanding of the game with the most minimal spoiler. And will base my purchasing decision on that. As usual I expect my own experience to not match specific critics or aggregated critic scores - it rarely does.
Generally speaking, of any aggregated score, large sample size review scores on Steam - aggregating user yes no votes (when filtered appropriately), tend to be a better barometer of sentiment that is more frequently closer to what my own experience could be.
As far as the conspiracy suggested by the other poster, I don't think reviews aren't genuine or paid for etc. I simply find a lot of critics are self affirmed, often with worse ability to present opinion and critique a game than some users. And often conditions surrounding press reviews are cause for concern and inform bias - but such is this industry and it's just something to ascertain if you want to take these critic reviews on board
it definitely gets significantly better after chapter 3 and that's a common sentiment i've seen echoed in my private discussions with other people reviewing the game
It's an inflammatory exaggeration sure, but is it wrong? The Cuphead dev's were brave, putting their houses on the line for the base game, then going even further to make it more than just a boss rush, with run'n'gun gameplay that isn't what's big and popular. Team Ico were brave, being unknown developers creating a game unlike most had ever seen.
An open world game from a household name like Kojima isn't brave. This could flop and he'd still get work easily.
Kojima is the dear of the gaming public. In all likelihood you'll be more likely facing the same shit by stating that you dislike it, tho.
Say, is the mission structure similar to MGS V?
Is is true what Ars Technica wrote, that the ending is pretty much you still do not know what is going on, after completing it?
Sorry to bother you with those questions, but I never finished MGS V because I was quickly bored of it, because of the whole open-world stuff and after I watched the Easy Allies review and seeing videos, it seems similar to it.
You have more information, sure. But if something is bad enough along the way that it actively discourages you from finishing it, that is an indictment on the whole of it and can be treated as a complete criticism.
My favorite Roger Ebert review was what he wrote about the first 90 minutes of Badlands and assumed the rest.
Cant believe people are advocating completion as optional for professional reviews.
You don't need to have finished the game to give a review/final verdict on something. If your verdict is that you hated it so much you couldn't finish it, that's the verdict.
What's important is that you communicate that you didn't finish it.
In the case of DS, the review embargo made it clear that if you want to post your review today - you must have finished the game. Whether or not you think it's scummy to do so from Sony's end, it's part of the NDA agreement to get the review code early. Otherwise, you wait until release day.
What's important is that you communicate that you didn't finish it.
In the case of DS, the review embargo made it clear that if you want to post your review today - you must have finished the game. Whether or not you think it's scummy to do so from Sony's end, it's part of the NDA agreement to get the review code early. Otherwise, you wait until release day.
Did you watch or read any review? It's basically you delivering stuff here and there in an open world while avoiding some and fighting other baddies who wanna hurt you along the way, with the occasional boss fight. It sounds a lot like the fears and memes of it being a walking simulator with more interactivity is actually becoming real.
How in the hell is this supposed to be a new genre as claimed by Godjima?
Well, scored worse than I hoped it would, but that's to be expected, I suppose. It was definitely going to be the most niche AAA game in some time.
I'm also more bummed about this than expected, lol.
Anyhow, I'm not gonna have a chance to play this until next summer, so I'm not in a rush either way.
I'm also more bummed about this than expected, lol.
Anyhow, I'm not gonna have a chance to play this until next summer, so I'm not in a rush either way.
That reminds me a lot of MGSV actually. I'm not sure how I feel about that as I loved the freedom MGSV gave but hated how the story was handled. I'm hoping the huge emphasis on story here, despite some criticisms I've read about aspects like the exposition, make up for MGSV's shortcomings in that area.
That's what I'm hoping for, mainly in terms of gameplay mechanics. Although hearing about the backtracking is offputting for me.
See the funny thing is people trying to claim that critics in other fields absolutely 100% always finish every product that they view and it's like I'm not to sure about that one chief.
am i the only one who gets frustrated when people who haven't played a game try and tell people who have actually played the game what it's like based on a reading of someone else's subjective opinion
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I want to read reviews from people who are fully informed on the totality of the game in question.
I want to read reviews from people who are fully informed on the totality of the game in question.
I don't think the open world stuff in MGSV was great and the world itself wasn't especially interesting to explore.
The difference here is that you're weighed down by your cargo and inventory - so you really need to think about how to get it to the objective and I found the stuff that unfolds along the way interesting. The terrain itself is a challenge - I don't recall that ever being true in MGSV.