...and that's brilliant because it demonstrates how off the rails this project is - in a good way. It flies in the face of AAA norms to the point where most companies would shut this down well before it got off the ground. I appreciate that it exists and greatly enjoyed it's unique design.Agreed. It's a good score overall, but most people were expecting far better from a AAA Kojima/Sony title. The poll is evidence.
Claiming review inflation when it is in the staff post is one example.
I feel that a moderator should be held in a higher standard than these posts.
I couldn't disagree with that IGN quote more.
On paper, yes, but it's the mechanics that completely change things up.
Here's the thing - most open world games focus on what happens when you arrive at your destination. The space between the objective and starting point is useless, empty space - you hold forward on the stick and you go. There's not usually much there.
Death Stranding inverts that - the arrival at your way point isn't usually the payoff - it's the journey.
Here's some examples..
I need to reach my objective in a stony field with large chasms running through it. I had a lot of things to carry and could barely walk with them so I loaded everything into a truck and hit the road. Unfortunately, I tried to jump a large chasm and missed - the truck fell into the chasm. Ruined, I climbed out of it and tried to consider my options. However, this commotion triggered a nearby camp (they have these pylons which scan for cargo). You can hear them above the chasm and then they start climbing down after me. So I open up the truck inventory quickly, grab a few supplies for combat and run.
Then I spent time taking out the patrol one by one (non-lethal - since killing leads to a voidout which blows a huge crater in the map).
After dispatching them, I returned to the truck and transported things piece by piece up the side of the chasm back to the surface. Carrying everything would be too difficult so I made my way to the bandit camp where the enemies had arrived from. Managed to steal one of their trucks and get back to my pile of stuff where I could load it up. I was able to continue my delivery route to the next way point until BTs appeared and the battery on the truck ran low (and since I wasn't in the Chrial network, I couldn't build a charge station). So I grabbed the key items for the mission and continued on foot, sneaking through BTs. Eventually, I made it to the top of a mountain (looking something like Mars at this point) and used the steep terrain as an excuse to run down the hill while trying to keep balance. Then - the objective was reached.
A simple little story but it's this type of occurrence - things going wrong on the road - that makes for such a memorable time.
the issue is he is claiming review inflation when the staff post says to not make such claims.
I feel that a moderator should be held in a higher standard than these posts.
Opinions and all. It doesn't seem so to me."Afraid", as in the high scores don't match up with the content of their reviews, they sound a lot more negative than the score is alluding to.
Will be interesting reading this. My tastes usually align with EDGE so it'll be interesting to see what Nathan has got to say after I'm finished with the game.
"While Death Stranding will surely be the most divisive game of this generation, there is no arguing that it offers new ideas on pushing the medium forward and shows that games don't always typically have to be "fun". The story is beautifully presented and is surprisingly restrained and focused for a Kojima title. All of the actors put on amazing performances and while its gameplay will be too slow for many, those willing to peel back the layers will discover a thoughtfully designed experience that will leave you ruminating for weeks after finishing."
That's from a reviewer that gave the game a 100.
That's a lot of negative for a game that got a perfect score. I know some people are more into the artistic side of games, but normally I play games because they're fun.
Ok. What do you want me to say? A game that looks to have a lot of boring elements probably won't play well with the general public? That a number of reviews seem inflated when you look at the score in comparison to what they're actually writing down in terms of their experiences? The Game Informer one stands out to me in that the reviewer sounded miserable playing the game but gave it a 7 anyway. That's not a good thing.I feel that a moderator should be held in a higher standard than these posts.
Sounds fantastic. I can imagine that the schlockloving plebs of the gaming community rather play endless shooters than this but to us cultured gamers, this sounds like a breath of fresh air 💖
I feel that a moderator should be held in a higher standard than these posts.
I feel that a moderator should be held in a higher standard than these posts.
Don't disagree. But they weren't given the choice at all here.If you're gonna review a game you didn't finish you should state you didn't finish it.
I think we should all agree.
"While Death Stranding will surely be the most divisive game of this generation, there is no arguing that it offers new ideas on pushing the medium forward and shows that games don't always typically have to be "fun". The story is beautifully presented and is surprisingly restrained and focused for a Kojima title. All of the actors put on amazing performances and while its gameplay will be too slow for many, those willing to peel back the layers will discover a thoughtfully designed experience that will leave you ruminating for weeks after finishing."
That's from a reviewer that gave the game a 100.
That's a lot of negative for a game that got a perfect score. I know some people are more into the artistic side of games, but normally I play games because they're fun.
no, but we have a staff guideline post about not claimign reviews to have an ulterior motive that he is breaking by claiming review inflation.He has to automatically praise the game just because they are a moderator ?
the issue is he is claiming review inflation when the staff post says to not make such claims.
Lighten up please, it really ain't that deep. You're trying to make something out of nothing.Claiming review inflation when it is in the staff post is one example.
8/10The first 2 minutes of the Easy Allies review talk about how it's intentionally boring, tedious, like a job that you often don't want to do.
This is not a new thingSo there are games they reviewed without finishing due to trying to hit the embargo/deadline? lol
....should he not be allowed to react to the divisiveness of this game?I feel that a moderator should be held in a higher standard than these posts.
Will be interesting reading this. My tastes usually align with EDGE so it'll be interesting to see what Nathan has got to say after I'm finished with the game.
Exactly. I have a laundry list of things I'd improve or add to BotW but it's still my GotG so far.Remember that reviews aren't school assignments. You don't start at 100 and subtract points for every flaw. If the reviewer feels that a game's positives massively outshine its negatives, then that's the score you'd expect.
i have no problem with that.So there are games they reviewed without finishing due to trying to hit the embargo/deadline? lol
One is a handheld game, the other is a remaster of a much higher scoring PS2 game back when Kojima didn't have the name and fame he enjoys now.
i'm expecting a 7 or 8 from edge, nothing too crazy.Whew that Edge review (whenever it comes out lol) is going to be something else.
So it seems like the game is all about traversing from point A to B.
But not because there is something inherently interesting to do at the destination,
but because figuring out how to get from A to B is where the gameplay lies?
The obstacles are literally terrain obstacles, figuring out how to cross a chasm, or get up a cliff, or decide how many things you realistically want to carry.
it's sounds so weird and unique and so very kojima.
wish this wasn't a whole week away, i really want this.... :(
You are saying that in a thread where the most anticipated game of the year is getting a lot of bad reviews. So whats your logic here? All the good reviews are there to keep the crazy fanboys happy and only the bad reviews are genuine? This is some conspiratorial stuff you are claiming with 0 evidence.That is not how reviews are supposed to work. Big difference.
With lots of money on the line, toxic fans in their thousands, certain games and developers will always get a boost to their review scores.
RDR2 is the most obvious recent example. Hugely divisive among those who purchased it and yet universally praised by critics who remarkably couldn't find any flaws.
The Zelda 8.8 debacle has pretty much determined that appeasing a games fanbase is often the path of least resistance. Easier to give them what they want.
It'd be really naive to believe that every review score is genuine, particular for big name titles and developers.
You say that, but in my experience, it's usually the opposite.That is not how reviews are supposed to work. Big difference.
With lots of money on the line, toxic fans in their thousands, certain games and developers will always get a boost to their review scores.
RDR2 is the most obvious recent example. Hugely divisive among those who purchased it and yet universally praised by critics who remarkably couldn't find any flaws.
The Zelda 8.8 debacle has pretty much determined that appeasing a games fanbase is often the path of least resistance. Easier to give them what they want.
It'd be really naive to believe that every review score is genuine, particular for big name titles and developers.
...and that's brilliant because it demonstrates how off the rails this project is - in a good way. It flies in the face of AAA norms to the point where most companies would shut this down well before it got off the ground. I appreciate that it exists and greatly enjoyed it's unique design.
Lmao
This is why I love review thread.
"""La crème de la crème"''" comes out to shit on the plebs because they dont like their favourite games. Exquisite monsieur.
Fuck dude, that sounds crazy. There are some truly horrible people out there.You say that, but in my experience, it's usually the opposite.
I did genuinely enjoy Crackdown 3 and Gears 5 this year (for very different reasons). I mostly praised them. This resulted in a huge backlash and even people making videos about my videos trying to tear me down. This then results in floods of people sending nasty messages and generally being awful. It was a horrible experience - all because I enjoyed something which some others did not.
I'm slightly concerned that, by enjoying Death Stranding, I'll have to face the same shit.
It literally has a codecTrying to avoid reading too much.
Can someone tell me if it has a Codec equivalent ? Like you can see and chat with people ?
Am I missing something? He/she really didn't say anything negative in that quote.
Oh no a 7? how will they recover?I have a feeling this will be a polarizing game. I want to see some reviews in the 7s just for the meltdowns.