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Death Stranding - Review Thread (see staff post for discussion guidelines)
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So it seems like the game is all about traversing from point A to B.
But not because there is something inherently interesting to do at the destination,
but because figuring out how to get from A to B is where the gameplay lies?
The obstacles are literally terrain obstacles, figuring out how to cross a chasm, or get up a cliff, or decide how many things you realistically want to carry.
it's sounds so weird and unique and so very kojima.
wish this wasn't a whole week away, i really want this.... :(
But not because there is something inherently interesting to do at the destination,
but because figuring out how to get from A to B is where the gameplay lies?
The obstacles are literally terrain obstacles, figuring out how to cross a chasm, or get up a cliff, or decide how many things you realistically want to carry.
it's sounds so weird and unique and so very kojima.
wish this wasn't a whole week away, i really want this.... :(
...and that's brilliant because it demonstrates how off the rails this project is - in a good way. It flies in the face of AAA norms to the point where most companies would shut this down well before it got off the ground. I appreciate that it exists and greatly enjoyed it's unique design.
Claiming review inflation when it is in the staff post is one example.
Yeah I know. They do a mod post in the first post and the you have a mod posting like that
That is not how reviews are supposed to work. Big difference.
With lots of money on the line, toxic fans in their thousands, certain games and developers will always get a boost to their review scores.
RDR2 is the most obvious recent example. Hugely divisive among those who purchased it and yet universally praised by critics who remarkably couldn't find any flaws.
The Zelda 8.8 debacle has pretty much determined that appeasing a games fanbase is often the path of least resistance. Easier to give them what they want.
It'd be really naive to believe that every review score is genuine, particular for big name titles and developers.
So you got greedy / didn't think stuff through and got utterly punished in what seems like to be a "hey but its fun to climb a ladder to get stuff I lost"
wild. I can understand the appeal of getting some enjoyment by processing the ideas in real time and whatnot but I can see certain people, namely those who haven't let go of their ego, having a real hard time to enjoy this "game"
I do like the aspect of not holding a button to pick something up + unlimited inventory and shit actually having weight / repercussions as well as considering other players doing deliveries and helping them + the ratio between risk / playing safe and the failure that it might entail or not, which seems to be toying with your instincts pretty much at all times when it comes down to the gameplay
I don't know, I don't think a lot of people in the west have it in them to have fun with consideration (from a concept point of view) as a backbone of the whole thing. Or people who can't appreciate the notion of momentum either
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the issue is he is claiming review inflation when the staff post says to not make such claims.
Will be interesting reading this. My tastes usually align with EDGE so it'll be interesting to see what Nathan has got to say after I'm finished with the game.
By we he means him? If he doesn't care enough to finish the game maybe he can pass it to another reviewer who are willing to.
Am I missing something? He/she really didn't say anything negative in that quote.
Ok. What do you want me to say? A game that looks to have a lot of boring elements probably won't play well with the general public? That a number of reviews seem inflated when you look at the score in comparison to what they're actually writing down in terms of their experiences? The Game Informer one stands out to me in that the reviewer sounded miserable playing the game but gave it a 7 anyway. That's not a good thing.
But he's literally doing something that staff post says not to do.
Yup, so far these two are my favourite games this year. Maybe RDR2 on PC might beat them, we'll see.
Lmao
This is why I love review thread.
"""La crème de la crème"''" comes out to shit on the plebs because they dont like their favourite games. Exquisite monsieur.
and I'm sure you'd say the same thing if they were quoting all the 9s and 10s right. lol
It does hurt a little bit that everyone is saying the gameplay is a sore spot when MGSV nailed that so well
Repetitive gameplay, bad boss battles, way too stretched out cut scenes, easy enemy encounters..... bam 8.5 lol.
Don't disagree. But they weren't given the choice at all here.
Remember that reviews aren't school assignments. You don't start at 100 and subtract points for every flaw. If the reviewer feels that a game's positives massively outshine its negatives, then that's the score you'd expect.
no, but we have a staff guideline post about not claimign reviews to have an ulterior motive that he is breaking by claiming review inflation.
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Lighten up please, it really ain't that deep. You're trying to make something out of nothing.
....should he not be allowed to react to the divisiveness of this game?
Will be interesting reading this. My tastes usually align with EDGE so it'll be interesting to see what Nathan has got to say after I'm finished with the game.
I mean they should finish a game before they review. If they can't finish it to review it then the responsibilty is on them. of course they don't have an onus to actually review the game. I mean imagine actually making an issue of this? I mean I don't think it should be mandated, I think it should be standard period. Otherwise, keep it as a preview. Moaning about it seems ridiculous and also unprofessional. It is kind of an implicit admittance of shody practice. Also, good to get his wifes input though. I will be looking out for Nathan Brown's wife's thoughts next time I am looking for an definitive opinion.
Exactly. I have a laundry list of things I'd improve or add to BotW but it's still my GotG so far.
One is a handheld game, the other is a remaster of a much higher scoring PS2 game back when Kojima didn't have the name and fame he enjoys now.
I hope Edge doesn't hold back and comes out with a shocking score lol.
You are saying that in a thread where the most anticipated game of the year is getting a lot of bad reviews. So whats your logic here? All the good reviews are there to keep the crazy fanboys happy and only the bad reviews are genuine? This is some conspiratorial stuff you are claiming with 0 evidence.
You say that, but in my experience, it's usually the opposite.
I did genuinely enjoy Crackdown 3 and Gears 5 this year (for very different reasons). I mostly praised them. This resulted in a huge backlash and even people making videos about my videos trying to tear me down. This then results in floods of people sending nasty messages and generally being awful. It was a horrible experience - all because I enjoyed something which some others did not.
I'm slightly concerned that, by enjoying Death Stranding, I'll have to face the same shit.
Praise Jesus there are still folks in this industry who have the balls to call it like it is.
Some of the reviews are mind-boggling. 10/10s while they read like they practically hated the game. Sycophants
This post is aimed at people a few pages back, and people who are yet to arrive in the thread...
Some people think divisive= bad and that the game can't be divisive if it gets a good score. Which is the wrong definition of the word.
Definition:-
tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people.
A game could score 1 out of 10, on average, and be divisive....or it could score 9 out of 10, on average and be divisive.
In general, the bigger the spread between scores and the reasons for that spread, will make one game more divisive than another.
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Some people think divisive= bad and that the game can't be divisive if it gets a good score. Which is the wrong definition of the word.
Definition:-
tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people.
A game could score 1 out of 10, on average, and be divisive....or it could score 9 out of 10, on average and be divisive.
In general, the bigger the spread between scores and the reasons for that spread, will make one game more divisive than another.
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Yeah of course, I'm happy for the people who will enjoy it :)
I'm just saying that the reviews are still divisive, even if the aggregate itself is good. The spread of scores is what makes it divisive.
It's so on the nose it reads like mocking fans more than a legitimate fan, but maybe not who knows?
From Gamekult's Editor-in-chief:
"Nicolas Verlet, but on Switch
@puyogk
Looking forward to finally being able to immerse myself in Death Stranding. Not sure if I'll be one of its apostles in the end, but the concept is already blowing up the conventional end-of-the-year AAA games. And the enthusiasm of (Gamekult reviewer) @LePereFidalbion is really contagious."
"Nicolas Verlet, but on Switch
@puyogk
Looking forward to finally being able to immerse myself in Death Stranding. Not sure if I'll be one of its apostles in the end, but the concept is already blowing up the conventional end-of-the-year AAA games. And the enthusiasm of (Gamekult reviewer) @LePereFidalbion is really contagious."
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Fuck dude, that sounds crazy. There are some truly horrible people out there.
I have a feeling this will be a polarizing game. I want to see some reviews in the 7s just for the meltdowns.
It's a "negative" because they are assuming a 100/100 game should appeal to everyone; which is of course nonsense.
