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Death Stranding Mafia |OT| Bridge the Divides in Society (Via Murder)
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Idk what his plan is. Both could be scum and this is a tactic to distance themselves.
I don't like him responding to you how his commuting ability be forced though. Gives too much info.
I honestly don't see the reason in coming forward with the commuter claim at all.
I have already gave all of my info so, yes.
I had practically soft claimed earlier in the day.
I just didn't realized that lol. I was doing something else, updated the thread while some process was running, saw the question and just answer. Didn't realized that I could have been a x-shot commuter at the moment.
You don't even remember? That's why I was asking you specifically. Weird.
I think it fits how he reacted here. And directly disagreeing with a fresh claim seems bold, if this was his fakeclaim. Of course the whole I asked Natiko could've been faked too and he already knew what he wanted to pull, but I don't believe that.
I've never seen an hider like that. Kinda defeats it's purpose, especially if you're not breadcrumbing who you targeted or baiting a NK or something. Targetting Fantomas D1 is a really bad choice too.
Huh? There's an absurd amount of highsight in this with a touch of gaslight in it. I was pretty sure on Monkey's red check and vouched for her lynch BEFORE the several other posts that followed that changed this completely. I made my view on the matter pretty clear, so the fact that you're skipping more than half of the phase discussion on this is pretty bad.
On Maol's claim, I did question it. It's right there in the post you yourself made about it - I just believed it based especially due to his progression on his Monkey read. It read very sincere to me and I didn't think scum could pull something like that, and I'm glad I was right on that read.
Why did you soft this earlier and claimed immediately after Meat did like this if you didn't even know if others would get notified if they targeted you. Further, full claiming your limitation just made you a completely useless town PR.
I'm just lost on this claim.
My thoughts too. Looking at the claim, why didn't he ask nat when he asked gorlak? Gor could lie either way.
When he saw meats claim, why not ask nat b4hand about notifications b4 Fran claimed himself. Nat didn't clear anything up and Fran claimed for nothing.
I soft claimed when Gorlak said that he was roleblocked. That's when I asked him if he targeted me. Maybe his action failed because he targeted me and we would be chasing a roleblocker or a delay roleblock when there was never one.
And Meatwad said that he targeted me during a night that he couldn't. I wanted to knew what others thought of it. I wasn't expecting an answer from Natiko (and the answer that I got is very broad, I just posted what I deducted from it).
You didn't want to claim because it would give scum info but then you do it anyway and say "it won't make a difference because no one will believe you". Claiming a "weak hider" gives zero advantage to scum, so it really reads like you didn't know what you would claim, to be honest.
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==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start
Meatwad (4 votes)
Fandorin - #1,423
Kopite - #1,441
Dr. Monkey - #1,483
Kalor - #1,487
Kitsunelaine - #1,640 #1,646
Dr. Monkey (2 votes)
Gorlak - #1,344 #1,418
Fat4all - #1,406 #1,588
Kitsunelaine - #1,498 #1,640
Gorlak - #1,547
Kitsunelaine - #1,652
EzekelRAGE (1 votes)
Kalor - #1,236 #1,424
malus - #1,404 #1,407
malus - #1,407
Kalor (1 votes)
Dr. Monkey - #1,278 #1,483
Fran - #1,434
Kitsunelaine (0 votes)
Gorlak - #1,225 #1,344
Fran (0 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #1,212 #1,498
Gorlak - #1,418 #1,547
Not voting: Fat4all, Meatwad, EzekelRAGE
Post Counts:
Gorlak: 94 Dr. Monkey: 80 EzekelRAGE: 67 Kitsunelaine: 67 Kopite: 41 Meatwad: 33 Fat4all: 32 Fandorin: 32 Fran: 28 Kalor: 28 malus: 23
Current Countdown:
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Day Start
Meatwad (4 votes)
Fandorin - #1,423
Kopite - #1,441
Dr. Monkey - #1,483
Kalor - #1,487
Dr. Monkey (2 votes)
Gorlak - #1,547
Kitsunelaine - #1,652
EzekelRAGE (1 votes)
malus - #1,407
Kalor (1 votes)
Fran - #1,434
Kitsunelaine (0 votes)
Fran (0 votes)
Not voting: Fat4all, Meatwad, EzekelRAGE
Post Counts:
Gorlak: 94 Dr. Monkey: 80 EzekelRAGE: 67 Kitsunelaine: 67 Kopite: 41 Meatwad: 33 Fat4all: 32 Fandorin: 32 Fran: 28 Kalor: 28 malus: 23
Current Countdown:
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1. If he was blocked, how would he be able to target you?
2. No one could answer that but nat, which I already knew would be a non answer. Anyone else answering would out that they are a PR.
I asked mal "who could answer that". It was a rhetorical question, because I already knew the answer was nat only.
To toy around with a commuter claim in such a small game, especially when we haven't hit scum yet isn't a good move.
I'm here and caught up. These two role claims are messy put together. When I saw Meatwads reveal, it seemed possible but the rarer kind of hider compared to whats usually done in this community. Frans claim seemed opportunistic to try and pin suspicion on Meatwad and get a lynch there. Maybe it read differently in real time but catching up and the proximity of the reveals, Frans feels too sudden. But if Fran was scum trying to get Meatwad lynched, the primary question is then of motive. Is there another lynch candidate who is at risk who is scum and they want to get town Meatwad lynched instead (the candidate probably being Monkey in this case)? Do they see the end in sight already and want to guarantee a town lynch? Or Fran is genuine and the timing and handling of the reveal was just awkward.
Because maybe he wasn't blocked and his action failed just because he targeted me.
So I can have some other points of view about the matter. I didn't asked for claims, I asked for opinions of what would happen if Meatwad targeted me while I was commuting. I don't understand where you get that I would out a PR.
Fando you said that Monkey should be lunched if Maol flips town. But then you made a read list where both Monkey and Maol are town. Why?
And what do you think about Fat4all today? Both of you said that Monkey should be lunched if Maol flipped town. Now you aren't pushing for Monkey but Fat4all still is.
1. If he did target you, what does it matter?
To you it doesn't matter at all. In fact it's better he thinks he got rb'd than to know you are a commuter. Gorlak could be scum.
2. Cause only nat can give a concrete answer. Anyone else speculating on it outs themselves.
Because if his action failed because he targeted me we could waste a bunch of time and go for crazy theories just looking for the roleblocker that not actually exist. And Gorlak has been my top town for a while.
How they out themselves when they are just talking about Meatwad and my role? Malus answered and he didn't claimed. He didn't outed himself.
Y'all been busy. Catching up but ping me if there's something immediate I need to look at, since it'll take a minute to go through all this.
Yep, I agree, and I think it looks like deflection from Meatwad. I don't think scum does avoid the Maol lynch. Maybe one to maintain spread, maybe 50/50 if four, but there's scum on that vote, too. So potential scum saying "no, scum would never vote there, don't look at me, jazzhands, nothing to see here" looks like misdirection. It's sure not analysis
If there's a vote that's easily justified, that anyone could get on without much of a read, scum will be on it.
It looks like there'a Fran claim I need to catch up to so I'm behind, but I wanted to get these posts quick from right around when I went to bed. Fran's lack of engagement does stick out. I don't just mean lower activity - sometimes folks have stuff going on. But for Fran to get this far into the game without really sinking his teeth into something is very unusual. He hasn't seemed particularly ruffled or stubborn about anything. It's not even a matter of anything looking fake or forced or anything - there's just no real deep engagement. So while he's questioning things and relatively involved in the thread, there's a certain something that seems to be missing.
But I wouldn't weigh it at the same level of abject avoidance I see in Kalor, Meatwad, and to a lesser degree kitsunelaine (largely because her town meta supports ignoring huge sections of the thread, so it's not particularly alarming or suspicious). It's just a certain missing something and it could as easily be RL stuff as scum.
1. So what if we wasted time on a possible rb? You coming out as commuter to save town from theorizing that a rb may be in play makes no sense. Especially since there could be a commuter and a rb in the game.
You townreading got doesn't mean anything. As you stated yourself, your reads have been off this whole game.
2. Mal didn't answer anything. He said meat could tell us. Which obviously meat didn't get some sort of notification because he would've mentioned it already. The discussion you wanted would've just lead to noise.
Gorlak, come on, man. Don't do this shit. Ketkat had 14 posts. Never did I come close to indicating you shouldn't look. I said Ket didn't have a chance to do much. By all means, go back and look. Look at her posts, look at how she said she was in a bad mood and not really into playing. But look also at the fact that several people had filed her as town already d1 - she was a protect in a couple protect/investigate/kills (I remember, I was one) and someone even said (Fandorin?) that she'd be a good night kill target.
Why would fake-commuter Fran try to come forward with his theory at two different points to contradict others?
Where did he try to contradict "others"? Only with meat. And he really didn't contradict meat with the claim.
1. With you he tried to help you block, not contradict it.
2. With meat, it amounted to nothing but noise and possibly making a town pr useless. We would be in the same situation with meat if Fran never mentioned the commuter thing.
As to why? Laying the foundation down for a fake claim. Nb4 Fran is the rb.
Oh, I just got to this. I guess yay at least that I'm reading the activity correctly? I understand the desire to play even if you can't give it your all. And regardless, despite everyone riding my ass for "defending" you, I don't think it's votable in the current game state. Feels like you're doing a hell of a lot more than some, so.
I think there's a hella big difference between defending and reading the game state and trying to sus out motivations in an attempt to solve.
So are you saying that it was OK if I said nothing when town was on a witch hunt for a roleblocker that maybe didn't existed?
My reads are mine. They are crap? Sure. Do I still believe them? Obviously. If not I wouldn't be playing the game.
It could have lead to noise or it could have lead to, maybe, something. You know what it would not have lead us to? More claims as you said it would.
Okay, I have a ton of other quotes in my notes but this is pretty massive.
Meatwad refuses to claim for a whole like ten posts' worth of stuff, accuses Gorlak of an agenda (what? Asking for a claim from someone on the block is NAI in almost any situation it is well within Gorlak's general approach to play so I dunno what this is), and then rolls over with almost no pressure and says it doesn't matter anyway. If it didn't matter, why not claim? Why not claim on your own? If you're a hider, you're protected from NK anyway so it actually doesn't matter if you claim. This makes no sense. Add in Fran's claim and it looks like Meatwad's claim is absolutely bullshit. Additionally, a scumMeat flip would essentially clear Fran.
possibly all this above has been said already - I'm still two pages behind - but this is my immediate reaction here.
Meatwad refuses to claim for a whole like ten posts' worth of stuff, accuses Gorlak of an agenda (what? Asking for a claim from someone on the block is NAI in almost any situation it is well within Gorlak's general approach to play so I dunno what this is), and then rolls over with almost no pressure and says it doesn't matter anyway. If it didn't matter, why not claim? Why not claim on your own? If you're a hider, you're protected from NK anyway so it actually doesn't matter if you claim. This makes no sense. Add in Fran's claim and it looks like Meatwad's claim is absolutely bullshit. Additionally, a scumMeat flip would essentially clear Fran.
possibly all this above has been said already - I'm still two pages behind - but this is my immediate reaction here.
The "I can hide behind scum" coming after "I avoid being NK unless I hide behind scum" is inconsistent internally AND with general hider roles but I'll guess that's already been resolved.
I said that when Monkey claimed a red check on Maol. She came back on that and also on her read on Maol - she didn't vote for him and neither did him despite the initial day start. I've made several other posts on D2 about this, including the read list you're referring.
I don't agree with everything he has said and his push on Monkey today has been misguided to me, but last phase Fat4All helped me develop my own thoughts and his progression on his Monkey read didn't feel fake to me, neither does it fit what I expect scum would do if Maol and Monkey were both town.
I'm still WAY behind and I gotta run afk for about 30 minutes. I'll be back as soon as I can.
Softing his fake claim for later since it would've been impossible to confirm either way.
Yes!. To protect your role, a 1000x yes. And again, a rb could still exist with your role. And look at ppl who had a lot to say about a rb theory speculation but not offering much else game wise. Scum would use it for busywork. Just like scum may have used the talk of arsonists as busywork.
Nope, leading to str8 noise is what it would've done. You can't even name what you wanted out of the discussion yourself.
Since this is a loose thread, did you target Fran the night he commuted?
If I were a cop or a doctor, sure. Over a commuter? Nah.
When did I said that? I just said that if Gorlak targeted me that could explain that his action failed instead of a roleblock. It would be too much coincidence that the same that I'm commuting Gorlak targeted me and a roleblocker targeted Gorlak. I even asked Gorlak if he was told that he was blocked or if his action just failed before asking if he targeted me.
Why don't you think commuter is a powerful role, especially in a game this small?
He answered after I asked. You should just read the thread. Gorlak even reposted the conversation in this same page.
I think that you are being incredible obtuse.
Because it isn't. Even less when I can't choose what night to commute.
Which is funny because I told Natiko that it was really dissapointing that I got a boring role like a commuter when I expected half the roster to have some crazy roles.
He said he was blocked n2.
You go: blocked or action failed? Did you target me last night?
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You put yourself out there. You shouldn't have asked who he targeted in the first place. Obviously he picked up on what you meant at the time that you were a commuter.
How is possibly stopping a nk or wasting scum actions not a powerful role?
Wouldn't it prove Meatwad was lying about his role? Both because Fran is untargetable and because both are very unlikely to exist in the same game. Obviously a scumFran would work the other way with Meatwad but I think Meatwad is way more likely to be scum here.
Anyway back, back to catching up.