Mhm, what do you think she is looking for?Your role could be detecting just one scum member, perhaps based on their flavor.
Mhm, what do you think she is looking for?Your role could be detecting just one scum member, perhaps based on their flavor.
D1 is not D3 but ok lolTo explain: The thing especially she scumread me for big time. All the way to check me N2, supposedly.
Not that you've tried that, where do we go and who do we lunch?
Who're you planning to check next?I thought about this but the fact that I'm still alive when I have revealed everything about my role to the point they would have noticed runs counter to this.
I'm sorry for trying to understand the status of the game.
A quarter pounder, the superior burger to the big mac.Not that you've tried that, where do we go and who do we lunch?
I don't know. I consider the events of the game during the Night and pick who seems like the most of a blind spot.
Fran has been a non-entity by his standards. What seems weird to you?
When Fran has posted there has been an undertone of aggression. When Fran's been questioned, that's turned into defensiveness. Now that might just be a game approach thing, because I know for some people that attitude is NAI (like uh. Me. For example.), but it seemed to be over a lot of stuff that didn't really necessitate that intense style of posting. Idk. Mafia has always seemed to me in part a referendum on one's attitude. Maybe it's just the natural response to suspect that sort of thing.Thanks for the input kits, really. If you have the time:
Fran has been a non-entity by his standards. What seems weird to you?
I'm not talking about a person switcher, but whomever switched Maol's role. The role changer, overwriter, I don't know how to phrase it.WTF? Who talked about a switcher? Did anyone agree to that theory? Where is this coming from? ???
Already answered in follow-up post.You knew Mao's alignment was a lie at the start of the night. What are you saying?
Helps us know Scum numbers and solve the game better. If there's a neutral running around and a player role is built on balancing that then it must be a powerful neutral and thus something to be concerned about.Still on day 2, not understanding why kits felt the need to claim backpack/ oddity searcher. Her reasoning mentioned something about letting town know it wasn't just scum v town. That doesn't make sense.
I don't like this defence at all. Assuming his scum, Meatwad didn't need a powerful role for you to protect him on D1. You'd do it because he was off the alignment. And you're making it sound like you Green Checked him or something, you literally said something to the effect of "We can lynch him later."Y'all are taking this entirely out of context. Yes, on d1 I said that I didn't think Meatwad was a good d1 vote target. And neither of these takes addresses my responses to similar doubt then that it's kind of ridiculous for me to throw myself in front of Meatwad in this way. I mean really, let's think through what Kopite is leading up to:
D1 I say: let's not vote Meatwad today! We'll vote him in the future maybe but not now!
D2 I fake a red check (again I guess to protect Meatwad and also myself) which isn't just a fake check but an elaborate scheme
So in this scenario, for me to continue to put myself on the line for Meatwad, Meatwad has to have a pretty good role, right? Because no offensive to Meatwad here, but I think I'm probably a more valuable scum team member just on the grounds that I have more experience doing it successfully in this community. Do we have any reason for me to do this? It's not a roleblocker. Is it the handprinter? What am I protecting to stack all this?
Not only does this seem ridiculous, but it also seems like a trap, especially with Kopite's post. Now if I continue to not scum read Meatwad, I'm scum; if I scumread Meatwad, I'm also scum. But why would I set up a future bus on someone I've also been protecting?
Neither of this takes into account my reads for today, which I haven't even posted. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Doing this without at least checking in to see where I am on Meatwad feels like angling up to make me a target for today. Which, whatever. Shoot your shot. I know I'm in a weird place after yesterday. But that's a weird enough role and position that you don't need to spin a big thing around it.
But it doesn't actually look like you are. This is also my issue. It looks like you're more determined to defend your very narrow view of the game, which is a possible view but does not actually get at other factors.
This is the second time you've said I'm trying to pocket you but all you do it say it. Where in the hell am I trying to pocket you in this?A quarter pounder, the superior burger to the big mac.
Jokes aside, Fran's seemed weird to me all game and some of the way Monkey has engaged seems weird and pockety. I would be more detailed but I am lying in bed right now and should be sleeping. It's 7am and I've been up all night. I hope that's satisfactory enough for you right now.
Oh and before i really truly go to bed, this is all amplified by the game being Bastard. Important to not forget the potential craziness at play. Part of why I decided that the more info town had, the better.Helps us know Scum numbers and solve the game better. If there's a neutral running around and a player role is built on balancing that then it must be a powerful neutral and thus something to be concerned about.
That's your conlusion? Your leaving the scum possibly being the other side out *again*?either the answers are wrong (from Natiko & wrong) or they are coming from dead/spec and filtered through Natiko for formal phrasing.
How? What? Why? I absolutely undertand nothing about why you behaved with your role as you did. Do you still see value in your role here in any possible way?I went ahead and asked because I figured it would help us get a sense of where my answers come from.
Right, sorry, I was really perplexed there. Someone with the ability to change/alter your role. Let's not use switch, that implies Mao's role went to someone else.I'm not talking about a person switcher, but whomever switched Maol's role. The role changer, overwriter, I don't know how to phrase it.
YES! which is part of what I keep trying to get you to address!Oh and before i really truly go to bed, this is all amplified by the game being Bastard. Important to not forget the potential craziness at play. Part of why I decided that the more info town had, the better.
Don't want to get too drawn into flavour but assuming the 3 Mafia roles are Mads, Troy Baker and a spooky boi maybe Kits can detect the 3rd scum
Yes, Gorlak, because there is literally nothing in my role PM to indicate that at all, no hints, no clues, no possibility from the wording and I really have no idea where you're even getting that. It says dead players. I suppose it's possible all the scum team is dead but that's total speculation. But either way that brings us back to my role being essentially useless, yeah?That's your conlusion? Your leaving the scum possibly being the other side out *again*?
Spooky boi =beached thing?Don't want to get too drawn into flavour but assuming the 3 Mafia roles are Mads, Troy Baker and a spooky boi maybe Kits can detect the 3rd scum
No, I don't see any value in it really at this time. All we know is that we can't trust the answers.How? What? Why? I absolutely undertand nothing about why you behaved with your role as you did. Do you still see value in your role here in any possible way?
You're right, that's why I altered my wording in the next post.Right, sorry, I was really perplexed there. Someone with the ability to change/alter your role. Let's not use switch, that implies Mao's role went to someone else.
I know this debate can rage on for hours but prod me again when I'm awake. Short answer:But it doesn't actually look like you are. This is also my issue. It looks like you're more determined to defend your very narrow view of the game, which is a possible view but does not actually get at other factors.
I'm really not sure if it's just a play difference in how we view things or what but it looks like you're actually avoiding discussion of other possibilities. Like why does keeping you alive in particular help scum if you're not looking for them? Why would scum kill you over Fantomas anyway?
This is the second time you've said I'm trying to pocket you but all you do it say it. Where in the hell am I trying to pocket you in this?
So if that was clear from the start, why did you ask about fandorin's post again:because there is literally nothing in my role PM to indicate that at all, no hints, no clues, no possibility from the wording and I really have no idea where you're even getting that. It says dead players
I went ahead and asked because I figured it would help us get a sense of where my answers come from.
This is all stuff I've walked through before. It says dead players but it absolutely did not look like the first result came from turmoil, who had no reason to say Maol was scum, especially now that we know he wasn't. Does it make sense to you that turmoil would say Maol is scum? That + the phrasing made it seem like it was more likely to be Natiko.So if that was clear from the start, why did you ask about fandorin's post again:
I was thinking about the shadow things in the rain.
I am saying - as I said - that this doesn't fit with your votes in this game so far AND I don't recall you taking this kind of "lead" in games we've played before. It stands out on both fronts.
Btw assuming a scummie swapped roles with Mao, that means that scum I'd is going to die tomorrow right? I'd be wary of bussing this phase
Uh what do you think happened to Mao then?Maybe. But I highly, and note the highly, doubt a role swapper exists in this game.
Simple, monkey lied.
How did his role change? We saw his flip(s)
Maybe I haven't caught up to that, are you talking about the "hated" thing?
Catch up first, Mao had a 'dying soldier' role at the start of the game and then a 'hated' role at the start of D2. The role swapper/power is most likely scum, and I think 'Role Swapper' Scum 1 tried to help 'hated' Scum too swap their power with someone else. This couldnt have worked on everyone but it did on Mao since 'dying soldier' isnt tied to alignment. If that's right we should see a scummie die tomorrow and will need to be wary of bussing todayMaybe I haven't caught up to that, are you talking about the "hated" thing?
So what you have now is defo a town role?So, I'm conflicted on this because my role changed overnight.
I was vanilla before and the power I got doesn't make sense if they swapped it from scum to town. Unless they thought it was worthless or chose two town to swap between but I guess I don't see scum or anyone being able to swap roles twice in a row. That seems too powerful.
Where is the follow--up? Where is anything? Turmoil is dead and you don't care! Why are you not looking at Fran and Meatwad, who both were the alternatives to now confirmed town on D1 at the end? Why is the Mao push not looked at? Ah right, you instigated that one. But you're not even worried that your push created that wagon. You don't look who got neglected for that.It's my feeling (almost always) that more interactions=better flip, particularly when we're talking about something in early game that we will want to reference again later. Ties to more players = more clues and more places to look. And while turmoil has interacted with more people than you, I don't think it's been quite so wild as you frame it here and there have been very specific conversation threads that can be followed.
*Talking about D1 here.
So what you have now is defo a town role?
Did anyone lose their role and is now vanilla?