Death Stranding Mafia |OT| Bridge the Divides in Society (Via Murder)

Kopite · Oct 18, 2019

Very brief reread on Kalor, he has some curious interactions with VA. Starts off calling VA out for claiming town lol, which is odd. And then over the course of the game he now townreads VA because apparently VA is genuinely trying to gamesolve, and I think few of us feel that way. What does this mean, if they're both scum would Kalor draw attention to his teammate so early, or did he pick on something harmless because it was safest to do so, and he'd 'come around' on VA over the course of the game? Something I'd pay closer attention to.

Meatwad's my strongest scum read for now, I don't feel good about them and think they're not really interested in solving the game, most likely because they might know who's scum already lel.

I still can't see beyond lunching Mao though, we need to see that flip

Kopite · Oct 18, 2019

Anyway guys it's 1.30ish and I need to be up at 6 for some teambuilding trip. I can't be up until day end. Good night.

Vote: Maolfunction

Fandorin · Oct 18, 2019

Vincent Alexander said:
Love you all, but I've asked to be replaced. I'm not giving this game the full attention it deserves, so hopefully Nat can whip you up a more active player in my stead. The bomb cyclone that hammered the hell out of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, etc. these last few days has left a lot of people without power and phone service, and I'm directly involved in trying to get them up-and-running so they can have heat. Or a phone line in case of medical emergencies. We're just now getting some of our areas up on generators, so today and this weekend is going to be extremely busy as we move onto phase 2.

Best of luck VA! Definitely a good excuse to ask for a replacement.

malus said:
That's a lot of town reads. If I read this correctly your only scum read is Meatwad. Who do you think would be his partners?

I'd put Kalor and VA as scum leans, despite having little to add on them at this point.

On Meatwad's partners, I'm not sure outside of the fact that I'm not seeing the link between him and Fran. Since his reads are pretty safe, I think I'd be hard pressed to find some unconventional link in there.

EzekelRAGE · Oct 18, 2019

*truffleshuffle*

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

Vincent Alexander said:
Love you all, but I've asked to be replaced. I'm not giving this game the full attention it deserves, so hopefully Nat can whip you up a more active player in my stead. The bomb cyclone that hammered the hell out of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, etc. these last few days has left a lot of people without power and phone service, and I'm directly involved in trying to get them up-and-running so they can have heat. Or a phone line in case of medical emergencies. We're just now getting some of our areas up on generators, so today and this weekend is going to be extremely busy as we move onto phase 2.

That's big necessary work and thank you for being someone who does it. <3

Fanto · Oct 18, 2019

Natiko said:
[He/Him] EzekelRAGE - UTC-6 has replaced Vincent Alexander

*truffleshuffle*

Still catching up but had to post this first, give me a moment.

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

Hey, Zeke!

I'm back (my interview went okay, I think!) and I'm catching up.

Fanto · Oct 18, 2019

Ok so not much more to catch up on here.

Yeah, I still agree that Mao really should be the vote today and I'm sure that's what we'll do, I can vote there if need be but I dont think it's super necessary since I think we are all in agreement on that, including Mao himself.

Fanto · Oct 18, 2019

I've got about 10 minutes though if anyone wants to ask me anything while I'm on break.

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

Fantomas said:
This is an interesting point that I hadn't really considered. I also think someone else said earlier (sorry I don't remember who and I'm not going to look back for the quote) that perhaps this is cover for the fact that Kits is actually the Neutral? Maybe it was Gorlak who said this? I could see that being a possibility just based on Kits' gambit from LiS where she pretended like she had info about a Snitch being on the Town team, when in reality, she was the Snitch.

Fantomas said:
Yes, I remember that now, that's where that thought came from. Kits may have decided to position herself as the opposite of what her actual role was due to your bluff. It would give her some cover while she needs to mark however many people she needs to mark, or whatever is going on with that role.

I could buy that as being a possibility, though I will say I still think the easiest answer is just that Kits is telling the truth. I can see a world where we have a Neutral who needs to mark people like that and probably win in some kind of Arsonist fashion, and then a Town player who can help to uncover and stop them before they can cause their damage. I don't think that is out of the realm of possibility for a 15 person game like this if that is a Neutral role marking people like an Arsonist would.

Fantomas, I don't know if I missed you, but can you talk to me about this? How do you go from "kits totally did this thing before" to "it's easier to believe kits is not doing that thing here?"

I don't really see how you got there - like why is this easier to believe in your eyes? "Not outside the realm of possibility" doesn't really equate to easy for me especially since you brought up her previous play.

Fandorin said:
@Dr. Monkey I probably missed this, but did you answer Fat4All and I when we questioned whether your role is actually "targetable"? Since you had a post previous to Maol's claim supposing the amount of actions on him, I think this could be important.

I can't confirm because it wasn't confirmed for me when I asked.

Fran · Oct 18, 2019

Fandorin said:
Could be remembering this wrong, but we had Splinter as a vanilla townie in HvV1 while at the same time having faircure as Yugi, AKA the most batshit town PR ever. That is actually weirder to me than the claimed role from Maol.

Splinter was not a townie. He was recruitable scum.

Anyone knows the votecounts? Because the vote tool isn't working.

Natiko · Oct 18, 2019

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

Maolfunction (4 votes)
~~Dr. Monkey - #508~~ #517
Kitsunelaine - #797
Kalor - #864
~~Vincent Alexander - #930~~ #992
Fat4all - #1,027
Kopite

Meatwad (2 votes)
Fantomas - #1,035
Fandorin - #1,086

Kalor (1 votes)
Gorlak - #833

Fran (1 votes)
Maolfunction - #832

Gorlak (0 votes)
~~Kitsunelaine - #655~~ #797

Dr. Monkey (0 votes)
~~Gorlak - #509~~ #513

Not voting: Fran, Meatwad, EzekelRAGE, malus, Dr. Monkey

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

So I guess y'all don't want to test the lie detector thing?

Fran · Oct 18, 2019

Dr. Monkey said:
So I guess y'all don't want to test the lie detector thing?

Sure. Any idea how?

Fran · Oct 18, 2019

Maol needs 2 more for turbo?

Fandorin · Oct 18, 2019

Dr. Monkey said:
So I guess y'all don't want to test the lie detector thing?

How does work again?

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

Fran said:
Sure. Any idea how?

Yes. I need people to post a single blatantly true statement. Like

This text is in bold.

Fandorin · Oct 18, 2019

Dr. Monkey said:
Fantomas, I don't know if I missed you, but can you talk to me about this? How do you go from "kits totally did this thing before" to "it's easier to believe kits is not doing that thing here?"

I don't really see how you got there - like why is this easier to believe in your eyes? "Not outside the realm of possibility" doesn't really equate to easy for me especially since you brought up her previous play.

I can't confirm because it wasn't confirmed for me when I asked.

Alright. Thank you for answering.

Fran said:
Splinter was not a townie. He was recruitable scum.

Anyone knows the votecounts? Because the vote tool isn't working.

Huh, I guess that doesn't work. Point still stands.

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

This idea was offered in lieu of lunching Maol since if we do we find out anyway but we may also want to try it regardless.

Meatwad · Oct 18, 2019

Dr. Monkey said:
Yes. I need people to post a single blatantly true statement. Like

This text is in bold.

My name is Meatwad

Fran · Oct 18, 2019

Trump is a really shitty person.

Does this work?

Fran · Oct 18, 2019

What are you trying to prove with that?

Fanto · Oct 18, 2019

Dr. Monkey said:
@Fantomas, I don't know if I missed you, but can you talk to me about this? How do you go from "kits totally did this thing before" to "it's easier to believe kits is not doing that thing here?"

I don't really see how you got there - like why is this easier to believe in your eyes? "Not outside the realm of possibility" doesn't really equate to easy for me especially since you brought up her previous play.

I guess I should have said that, at least in my opinion, occams razor would say shes probably just telling the truth about her role, but that I can totally see a world where it is another Kits Gambit.

Not on break right now, just have some down time at the moment, so apologies if I dont respond again right away if you wanted more from me on this.

EzekelRAGE · Oct 18, 2019

So summary of the goings on s?

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

Fandorin said:
Don't know if you said anything about this, but is the pool of players you can "target" is the same every night or does it change somehow?

It changes and that's all I can say about it.

Maolfunction said:
Also, several people have mentioned that my D1 play didn't line up with wanting to be night killed and I'm not quite sure what they expect in order to be killed D1. I played expressly townie, my EoD play was extremely town flavored. I'm not the only player who thought so, it's been stated by several players now. Does scum not want to get rid of players that are perceived as town? What do you all mean that my play D1 wasn't consistent with getting night killed? Makes little sense to me to say that.

Maol, there were several people who definitely believed you didn't "play expressly townie" and I think that's what's getting referenced. For much of the day you didn't really engage much because of the odds - it's really only EoD where there's more of a split about how to read your behavior (as townie or not).

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

Fantomas said:
I guess I should have said that, at least in my opinion, occams razor would say shes probably just telling the truth about her role, but that I can totally see a world where it is another Kits Gambit.

Not on break right now, just have some down time at the moment, so apologies if I dont respond again right away if you wanted more from me on this.

No, I can see where you're coming from here.

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

EzekelRAGE said:
So summary of the goings on s?

oh dude

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

Meatwad said:
My name is Meatwad

Fran said:
Trump is a really shitty person.

Does this work?

lol y'all are terrible at this.

Your name probably isn't Meatwad, but your username is is. And as for yours, Fran, god he is but there's a whole lotta people out there who somehow think he isn't so it is blatantly, objectively true?

Anyway, the idea that came up earlier in the thread was - I think it was Fanto who suggested? - that maybe we could test this like a lie detector. I ask about a blatantly true statement and we determine if the power/results are to be trusted. It's not 100% but it might be worth a shot.

Fandorin · Oct 18, 2019

Dr. Monkey said:
Yes. I need people to post a single blatantly true statement. Like

This text is in bold.

Kinda lost how this would help - wouldn't you waste a night doing this? But alright.

This is the post no. 1,129.

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

Fandorin said:
Kinda lost how this would help - wouldn't you waste a night doing this? But alright.

This is the post no. 1,129.

I don't HAVE to do it - it was raised as an idea and I'm not against it and we also have time to discuss. But I can't do it without posts to use so if we even want to consider it, might as well give me fodder.

Fran · Oct 18, 2019

I think I understand how that power would work and it's not like a medium. If my guess is right Natiko could be answering this questions.

But if you want to get more info: Spec chat, if you have to answer a question, lie please.

Fandorin · Oct 18, 2019

Dr. Monkey said:
I don't HAVE to do it - it was raised as an idea and I'm not against it and we also have time to discuss. But I can't do it without posts to use so if we even want to consider it, might as well give me fodder.

Yeah, I saw Fantomas suggestion too. I just thought it would have a different implication when I saw it, but if you think it's a worthy idea then zero objections from me.

Fanto · Oct 18, 2019

Fran said:
But if you want to get more info: Spec chat, if you have to answer a question, lie please.

Yes, this is definitely a good idea if we want to try testing things with this role I think.

----

About to head on my lunch break now, so if anyone has questions for me, throw them my way now and I'll try to answer within the next half hour.

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

Fandorin said:
Yeah, I saw Fantomas suggestion too. I just thought it would have a different implication when I saw it, but if you think it's a worthy idea then zero objections from me.

Oh, what did you think?

Fanto · Oct 18, 2019

Well I dont really feel the need to move my vote before EoD if we are all in agreement on the Mao lunch still.

I dont think theres anything else off the top of my head that I want to comment on for now, but I'll be around for another 15 minutes or so at least, perhaps sneaking some looks at my phone when I get back in as well.

Maolfunction · Oct 18, 2019

OK I don't think there's much left I need to say before the end of the day. I'm willing to hammer myself if someone wants to place the 5th vote on me. Unless people think there's a reason to wait another 45 minutes or so. I'll be paying attention to the thread while on lunch.

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

It is remarkably quiet. There are several people who've been kinda hanging back.

Fandorin · Oct 18, 2019

Dr. Monkey said:
Oh, what did you think?

That we would be able to use it without a "test night" first, but now I see that to trust it completely we would need to do it this way after all.

Fandorin · Oct 18, 2019

Didn't realize we got into the last hour of the day. i'm rather surprised by the vote count at the moment: we have Kitsu, Kalor, Fat4All and Kopite deciding the lynch - though the most active players have condoned with Maol's lynch, none of players actually voting are particularly town read.

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

Fandorin said:
Didn't realize we got into the last hour of the day. i'm rather surprised by the vote count at the moment: we have Kitsu, Kalor, Fat4All and Kopite deciding the lynch - though the most active players have condoned with Maol's lynch, none of players actually voting are particularly town read.

Yeah, I was looking at that, too.

Fanto · Oct 18, 2019

Yeah, unfortunately we dont have much vote data to look back on for today, it's been a strange phase.

Heading back in to work now but I'll try to check in still.

Fran · Oct 18, 2019

Fandorin said:
Didn't realize we got into the last hour of the day. i'm rather surprised by the vote count at the moment: we have Kitsu, Kalor, Fat4All and Kopite deciding the lynch - though the most active players have condoned with Maol's lynch, none of players actually voting are particularly town read.

I thought that Kitsu was townreaded by most.

Kalor · Oct 18, 2019

I forgot that the day phase was ending so soon. Though I had less to catch up on than I expected. As people have remarked, this is a weird end of day.

malus · Oct 18, 2019

For the record I would be voting for Maol right now if there was any contention about the lunch.

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

Fandorin said:
Kinda lost how this would help - wouldn't you waste a night doing this? But alright.

This is the post no. 1,129.

can I get a couple more people to do this? I really like the way Fandorin did it here - the post number thing is perfect. or like my "this text is bold" one. Something absolutely indisputable, no loopholes.

Fran · Oct 18, 2019

This text is bold.

Meatwad · Oct 18, 2019

This text is not bold

Fanto · Oct 18, 2019

Chloe Price is cool.

OBJECTIVE FACT

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

bless

Dr. Monkey · Oct 18, 2019

Fantomas said:
Chloe Price is cool.

OBJECTIVE FACT

well, at least we know you're not lying XD

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