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Death Stranding Mafia |OT| Bridge the Divides in Society (Via Murder)
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Dr. Monkey you know damn well that games were lost because scum numbers were underestimated. 20% vs 26.6% scum. These are different worlds with different implications. What's your problem here? How's any of this baseless?
Hey thanks for mentioning me, I completely forgot the game started yesterday and the site has been pretty bad about alerts from this thread even though I have it set to "Watch" ugh. Also I work all day on the weekends so I wasn't going to be active yesterday anyway. But I'll be fully engaged now
I encourage you to go back and reread since I already addressed the numbers aspect vs what I was actually objecting to.
Would've been quite the twist if that was how GOT S8 actually went down
Checking in on break, turns out that being out all last week dealing with some oral surgery means I am plenty busy today! Luckily not much to catch up on here.
Yeah I missed that too, good to know.
Something something subverting expectations.
Are you seriously saying that it's important that we discuss scum numbers during D1?
Really?
It must be the most useless discussion we can have D1 after No Lynch.
Don't say it Fran, c'mon. We almost got one full day without a No Lynch mention.
Can you expand on this a bit when you get a chance? While Gorlak's vote is definitely the most serious up to that point, I'm not sure I understand how you feel that he's trying to start a train early instead of aiming for something that isn't just a joke
It read as far too trigger happy in my eyes, like he was waiting for a chance to pounce. If that makes sense. I'm dubious of anybody doing that this early in D1.
I addressed that in my post as well. I don't think you're serious here as that relative comparison of 3 Vs 4 member team holds up regardless of our info.
Hm, alright. I'm not sure I fully agree, but I do see where you're coming from.
As for all of this stuff, I don't think that it's baseless to speculate based on the number of players, but it's also way too early to be focused on numbers. All we have to go on are our own roles in a role madness game, so we need to see some flips to really figure out anything semi-concrete.
This is a weirdly defensive post tbh as your initial post seemed to want to just throw this out there so that it's over and done with, so I'm not sure where this is coming from.
Morning all, sorry for not being around yesterday. Sunday is when I visit the folks and I don't have time to check Era when I'm over there and I took the first hour of the day today to clear my work plate for the rest of today.
I'll be free the rest of the day and can pop into the thread every now and again. Having caught up with the thread, I'm not seeing any behavior that immediately catches my attention, though I am watching the interactions between turmoil and Dr Monkey.
Not sure who I'd be willing to lunch at this point. Game is still in its early early phase, and there's not enough happening for me yet to push anyone in particular yet.
People making assumptions about setup seem a bit eager and I think it's far too premature to be making serious reads based off guesses about numbers. Dragging statistics into the mix is a gambler's fallacy too. Might be a distraction, but could be eager town too. Not enough for me to make a read.
I'll be free the rest of the day and can pop into the thread every now and again. Having caught up with the thread, I'm not seeing any behavior that immediately catches my attention, though I am watching the interactions between turmoil and Dr Monkey.
Not sure who I'd be willing to lunch at this point. Game is still in its early early phase, and there's not enough happening for me yet to push anyone in particular yet.
People making assumptions about setup seem a bit eager and I think it's far too premature to be making serious reads based off guesses about numbers. Dragging statistics into the mix is a gambler's fallacy too. Might be a distraction, but could be eager town too. Not enough for me to make a read.
I'm really not sure what to make of Gorlak avoiding my actual objection a second time in favor of deflecting, but I'm in meetings for the next several hours so I'll chew on it.
On break again, not much to comment on I suppose. I agree that Gorlak seemed a bit defensive when he initially came off pretty chill about the numbers discussion, not sure if theres much to read into there yet though but worth mentioning.
I know it's early but I'm still not seeing many votes get tossed around.
Vote: Gorlak
So in that case, I'll vote for someone who is a recent topic at the least.
I know it's early but I'm still not seeing many votes get tossed around.
Vote: Gorlak
So in that case, I'll vote for someone who is a recent topic at the least.
Well, the only person I don't want to vote right now is Fantomas. He feels pretty eager and like his usual town self, and while he might betray me at some point, I'm okay with him for right now.
Soooo, for now.
Vote: Fat4All
Tell me about yourself. What makes a dog tick? Who smells bad to you so far?
Soooo, for now.
Vote: Fat4All
Tell me about yourself. What makes a dog tick? Who smells bad to you so far?
What is your take on the Fran x Monkey discussion now after it simply dissolved into nothing?
That almost no one is interested into making it a thing
It will be something to look back at if one or both tuns out to be scum
Do you mean Monkey x Gorlak? Or the jokey back-and-forth with Fran and Monkey on page 2ish?
I meant the Fran x Monkey tie we had early on after turmoil unvoted from Kopite. Not surprised you don't remember it.
What discussion? There was no discussion.
Why are you trying to link our aligments?
Are you talking about votes? Because those are obvious joke votes.
Discussion might be too strong a word for it I guess. But yes, I'm talking about those joke votes at day start.
It's definitely too early to discuss numbers, buy I'm not sure I want to put Gorlak as Scum for bringing it up.
I didn't even realize there was a thing between Fran and Monkey until Turmoil made it the center of his argument. It seems a bit premature to call a tie between two joke votes as serious wagons.
I didn't even realize there was a thing between Fran and Monkey until Turmoil made it the center of his argument. It seems a bit premature to call a tie between two joke votes as serious wagons.
Ok, let's ask some questions to the room in general, maybe that will get the activity picked up here (not that I'm complaining really, I was just expecting to play catch up in here).
How do people feel about Monkey so far? I think she seems fine, for now, doing her usual thing, leaning on Meta to put reads on me while scrutinizing posts from others.
How about Fran? Nothing sticking out to me too much, questioning people, seems to believe what he is saying so far at least which makes me lean in the town direction early.
Fandorin? Now that's a tough one, seems kind of like hes struggling to contribute so far but wants to have a presence, not sure if its alignment indicative or not, so not really leaning either way on him yet.
Gorlak? I suppose I need more to work with, similar feelings as I have about Fando I guess.
Turmoil? I used to think I could read him good, but I've since been wrong a couple times on him. I do feel like he would try to be more lowkey than this if he was Scum though, but that's just the Meta talking.
Those are the players that stick out just off the top of my head while I'm sitting here on my lunch break at least. I'll respond more and add any additional thoughts when I get home in a couple hours.
How do people feel about Monkey so far? I think she seems fine, for now, doing her usual thing, leaning on Meta to put reads on me while scrutinizing posts from others.
How about Fran? Nothing sticking out to me too much, questioning people, seems to believe what he is saying so far at least which makes me lean in the town direction early.
Fandorin? Now that's a tough one, seems kind of like hes struggling to contribute so far but wants to have a presence, not sure if its alignment indicative or not, so not really leaning either way on him yet.
Gorlak? I suppose I need more to work with, similar feelings as I have about Fando I guess.
Turmoil? I used to think I could read him good, but I've since been wrong a couple times on him. I do feel like he would try to be more lowkey than this if he was Scum though, but that's just the Meta talking.
Those are the players that stick out just off the top of my head while I'm sitting here on my lunch break at least. I'll respond more and add any additional thoughts when I get home in a couple hours.
What interactions? I see only jokes.
I think it's pretty early to start doing this but I'm bored so I will answer:
[/QUOTE]How do people feel about Monkey so far? I think she seems fine, for now, doing her usual thing, leaning on Meta to put reads on me while scrutinizing posts from others.[/QUOTE]
I think this is usual Monkey, so she must be scum (And just for the record: I'm joking.)
[/QUOTE]How about Fran? Nothing sticking out to me too much, questioning people, seems to believe what he is saying so far at least which makes me lean in the town direction early.[/QUOTE]
The towniest town.
[/QUOTE]Fandorin? Now that's a tough one, seems kind of like hes struggling to contribute so far but wants to have a presence, not sure if its alignment indicative or not, so not really leaning either way on him yet.[/QUOTE]
Eager but with little content. Which means nothing because it's D1 and barely anything has passed.
[/QUOTE]Gorlak? I suppose I need more to work with, similar feelings as I have about Fando I guess.[/QUOTE]
I don't remember if I ever played against scum!Gorlak but him being so invested in discussing scum numbers feels bad. That's a useless discussion to have today.
[/QUOTE]Turmoil? I used to think I could read him good, but I've since been wrong a couple times on him. I do feel like he would try to be more lowkey than this if he was Scum though, but that's just the Meta talking.[/QUOTE]
I don't feel good about Turmoil right now. He is trying really hard to link Monkey and mine aligment with barely nothing to work with. I don't like the narrative that he is trying to set.
I also don't like Kalor's only post:
VA claim was obvious a joke. How would that benefit town?
None of those players have really stuck out to me besides the fact they're the more prominent posters.
I don't feel good about Turmoil right now. He is trying really hard to link Monkey and mine aligment with barely nothing to work with. I don't like the narrative that he is trying to set.
I also don't like Kalor's only post:
VA claim was obvious a joke. How would that benefit town?
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I wasn't saying it would benefit town. Even if it wasn't a joke I was trying to see how they would justify it because I can't think of any reasoning for it. I've played enough games at this point that I don't really take potential claims like that as jokes, especially one worded like that when it could have went both ways, and it creates a potential discussion point either way. I have played with Vincent before but I have 0 memory of them doing that before, though apparently they have.
I haven't played/speced a game with scum fandorin but so far his play seems normal so I lean town there.
Ketkat doesn't look suspicious either, lean town
Malus, Kopite, Kalor, I want to see more from, null
Fran, monkey, lean scum, they're planning something sketchy I bet
Fat4all, scum, posting only jokes and GIFs looks like the perfect excuse to avoid explaining ones play later in game
Ketkat doesn't look suspicious either, lean town
Malus, Kopite, Kalor, I want to see more from, null
Fran, monkey, lean scum, they're planning something sketchy I bet
Fat4all, scum, posting only jokes and GIFs looks like the perfect excuse to avoid explaining ones play later in game
What feels fake, exactly?
Is making slant comments and not actually backing anything up just going to be your MO this whole game or...? Because you keep saying this while not actually saying anything at all.
I've got dinner and then four apps to do tonight (whee.) but I'll be around after/between. Few things that have been posted that I want to comment more in depth on.
What do we usually talk about on D1? I feel like I have nothing to say or respond to, but obviously we need to make posts and give opinions if we want to play the game.
Turmoil feels like bait at this point, like all my usual D1 instincts are telling me he's Scum, so I'm just sitting here like "Why!?" especially because I have a habit of being dead wrong on D1 lately. He's throwing out random half-thought-out takes like "Fran and Monkey are probably Scum together, and they're planning something!" which is like, ok, tell me more please if you really believe this? What was it about my joke vote on Monkey and Kits' joke vote on Fran that suddenly made this a thing? I'm so confused by that take.
I don't know, I have a few things I need to get done quick now that I'm home, then I'm going to eat something, then I'll be back here for the evening/night I suppose if people want to chat.
Turmoil feels like bait at this point, like all my usual D1 instincts are telling me he's Scum, so I'm just sitting here like "Why!?" especially because I have a habit of being dead wrong on D1 lately. He's throwing out random half-thought-out takes like "Fran and Monkey are probably Scum together, and they're planning something!" which is like, ok, tell me more please if you really believe this? What was it about my joke vote on Monkey and Kits' joke vote on Fran that suddenly made this a thing? I'm so confused by that take.
I don't know, I have a few things I need to get done quick now that I'm home, then I'm going to eat something, then I'll be back here for the evening/night I suppose if people want to chat.
Well, most people are dead wrong on Day 1. If you feel like Turmoil is scum, then let's start there.
turmoil7
Can you explain your reads on Fran and Monkey a bit? What's making you lean scum on them?
Yeah, I mean I suppose:
Vote: turmoil7
Turmoil my dude, it feels like you are just throwing stuff out here so far and that you do not actually believe in it, which makes me view you as more likely to be Scum than Town. Give me more, be specific, quote some posts, convince me you aren't just bullshitting right now.
Vote: turmoil7
Turmoil my dude, it feels like you are just throwing stuff out here so far and that you do not actually believe in it, which makes me view you as more likely to be Scum than Town. Give me more, be specific, quote some posts, convince me you aren't just bullshitting right now.
I like Monkey. Kits made an ok point that Gorlak seemed a little too 'acting justified' this game, but I think it's nowhere near enough to get lunched.
I'm not a particularly good player, but how much can you do on d1 that doesn't seem like busywork anyway
Doggo is a good vote, this may be Era-Meta but I feel Fat4All will be a Blarglike figure in the game who I'd like to get rid of early if no one else is very scummy.
It isn't necessarily a vote, I just think it's likely that by the end of D1 we have candidates on the block for weak reasons. And from past game(s) I'd rather not lynch good town players. Having said that I don't even know who the good town players are in this game, I'm just going off what I remember from past games
I like Monkey too.
He's actually not too Blarg-like from what I remember. I can't remember if I've played with him once or twice now, but I know I played with him for sure when he replaced into Love Boat 3. He was Scum there, but he was still playing the game normally, though he is known for making funny images like that one with Kits from earlier lol.
Is this trauma from when those bastards voted you, Kate Marsh, out of the game on D1 in LiS? I'll never forgive them!
This Is not Fat4all first game. He Is way less chaotic than Blarg.
Let's forget about good town players. Do you even know who are town players? That's why I don't think it's a good idea to give players a pass bases on meta.
Ok, let's see here. The day ends tomorrow, right? So like, I've got maybe a few times I can post before EoD and I'm not planning to let them go to waste. I am going to force you all to interact with me if it's the last thing I do!
Maolfunction I'm guessing something must have come up because your post from earlier assuring us you'd be free all day seems to have not come true. Hopefully everything's ok, but if you do come around again and want to play, I would like to hear some more from you.
Meatwad ok I voted for you, Malus tagged you, you showed up and said you'd be fully engaged now, we laughed about GoT, and then you disappeared again. There was a reason I voted for you in GoT, it was because of shit like this. So come around and give me some thoughts on the game please!
Kalor you've been too quiet and I would have no problem voting for you just so I don't have to keep writing "Kalor - Null" in my future read lists.
There, that covers the people who have made 2 or less posts so far. I would happily vote for any of you on D1 if you don't give me something to work with. :)
Maolfunction I'm guessing something must have come up because your post from earlier assuring us you'd be free all day seems to have not come true. Hopefully everything's ok, but if you do come around again and want to play, I would like to hear some more from you.
Meatwad ok I voted for you, Malus tagged you, you showed up and said you'd be fully engaged now, we laughed about GoT, and then you disappeared again. There was a reason I voted for you in GoT, it was because of shit like this. So come around and give me some thoughts on the game please!
Kalor you've been too quiet and I would have no problem voting for you just so I don't have to keep writing "Kalor - Null" in my future read lists.
There, that covers the people who have made 2 or less posts so far. I would happily vote for any of you on D1 if you don't give me something to work with. :)
Da,n I'm over here doing my homework lol, I mean it's early game so I'm feeling pretty neutral towards everyone right now. I guess the biggest thing that sticks out to me is Turmoil trying to make Monkey x Fran a thing. I certainly don't see anything fake about their discussions. So it does seem a bit forced on Turmoil's part. But that's the best I got now. I don't really excel at the early game
Monkey: I've been gaslighted by Scum! Monkey before (MafiaEra especially) so I'm a bit wary of her after I really struck her attention early on and she didn't bother addressing my answer to it. I was kinda waiting for her read on me to assess this properly, but nothing so far. Not voting here yet but not cutting her a slack with a easy town lean at this point.
Fran: Lean town as his usual picky self. Really hard to pick up if scum early on, but gets progressively easier to read to me. Don't think I'd vote here today.
Fandorin: Damn, "struggling to contribute" is kinda harsh lol.
Gorlak: Didn't mind the numbers / powers discussion and don't think he got "defensive" over his points like some pointed out, but thinking about it now I dislike how nothing else came from him after this.
turmoil: Not really ringing any alarms to me - the fact he continues throwing out underdeveloped reads and hot takes despite being under heat on D1 doesn't really smell like scum to me.
Funny how this is the second time you come up immediatly after being @'d. That's some hardcore lurking.
I'm here, but just watching the thread. Nothing being talked about is really striking me as anything worth commenting on. Most of the discussion has fallen into either meta behavior or people commenting on things that I've read earlier on that I don't feel I need to comment on.
D1 is always a toss up to me, and it's difficult to latch onto any discussion in a meaningful way since so much of D1 discussion is either forced or guesswork unless a player specifically makes a move early on, which hasn't happened.
At this point, still not seeing any player I'd drop a vote on, it still feels very early in the game and people are still just learning who's who. It's a situation where watching the top contributors seems most valuable to me because watching them try and steer where the day goes and ultimately winds up will result in something to work come D2.
That being said, I agree with Fran and don't like the idea of keeping players off the voting table due to prior town meta, everyone should be an option D1. If someone slips or makes a poor play then they should face a vote, meta be damned.
Further on what Fran said, good town players are probably good scum players as well, so this sort of reasoning isn't really advisable.
I appreciate your reasoning either way, thought you had someone on your mind already.