That's not it, DS is a masterpiece of game design. We're all just discovering it for the first time and are so excited to talk about it.
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Death Stranding joins the rarified league of actual well designed open worlds (and, some musings on good open world design in general)
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its weird seeing all the people here say they "watched the gameplay on youtube" and call it boring from that.
the experience of traversing the world by yourself feels so different than watching it on youtube, on youtube without noticing i fast forward parts of sam walking, in game i am so into it, you dont realize how worlds apart the experience is with this game.
the experience of traversing the world by yourself feels so different than watching it on youtube, on youtube without noticing i fast forward parts of sam walking, in game i am so into it, you dont realize how worlds apart the experience is with this game.
Reminds me of the Persona guy who was the same, forgot his name but he deleted his account iirc
Yup, you gotta play it to understrand. There's simply no other way.
Yep. Horizon's open-world is really good. Loved it to wander around and explore it. Such a beautiful game.
Kinda weird, for a game that beats you over the head about human connection.
This is the worst argument ever and makes it sound like Death Stranding is like babby's first arthouse film.
euro truck simulator 2 has better delivery gameplay than death standing and a better open world to do it in.
Agreed, the game requires so much from the player, which is one of its greatest strengths.
i don't know if i'd call that a more interesting discussion, or even an interesting discussion period, because i feel like it's been beaten to death when discussing video games for decades now and it basically just goes around in a circle. person A says "this sequence/aspect of a game/game/whatever is bad" then person B says "no you see it's supposed to be bad on purpose for thematic/narrative reasons" and then person A says "yes, i understand that, i understand the intention of the sequence/aspect of the game/game/whatever, i just don't think it's fun or entertaining" and then person C says the same thing person B does, and person D says the same thing person A says, and so forth and so on until the topic has become so tediously repetitive that it becomes unbearable (much like Death Stranding itself)
I'm playing it and I find the gameplay parts boring as fuck tbh. What's keeping me going is the cutscenes. I can only play the game in small doses because I find it so dull, and I really don't think I'm going to make it to the end.
I guess if you make a massive open world and strip all the interesting elements out of it and instead just leave points A, B and C to visit, then it looks super well designed. It would be like having Skyrim but stripping out all the random bandit camps, vampire caves, weird shrines etc and just having the small zones that only move the story forward, that would make it seem far more efficient in terms world design.
I think there are a lot of fun open world games and not rare at all. What you find enjoyable may vary, as you can see from this thread it is your damn opinion and not indisputable fact that one open world is fun and another reasonable person can find it shit.
Different people want different things from their open worlds.
I want atmosphere. I want shit to discover and things to do. I want wildlife that interacts with not only the player, but other wildlife.
I haven't followed Death Stranding so I can't comment, but what makes a great open world is subjective.
I want atmosphere. I want shit to discover and things to do. I want wildlife that interacts with not only the player, but other wildlife.
I haven't followed Death Stranding so I can't comment, but what makes a great open world is subjective.
I'm not exactly sure what that means, it seems somewhat reductionist. You could say the same thing about the camps scattered across the open world in BotW. I really enjoyed exploring and traversing the world in Zero Dawn and barely used fast travel. It does not have the climbing mechanics of BotW and I would like to see something similar in the sequel but I never got the "it's empty" criticism. There aren't a ton of sidequests but there aren't in BotW either (and most of them are bad). Don't get me wrong, I quite enjoyed the open world in BotW as well and it represents a bit of a different approach but I think both have their place.
Games like BotW and DS work so well due to the game mechanics and the open world being completely intertwined. The true potential of the genre is finally being realized in mainstream titles.
No, what's happening is people are enjoying the game a lot, are excited, and want to discuss and share their excitement and appreciation.
And people are regularly convinced to try a game by positive feedback on this very forum.
that doesnt sound like that its not for him. it sounds like a shit game. i know folks around here like to pretend bad games dont exist and instead "its not for you and thats ooookaaaay". But this game has literally every design aspect thats been criticized as the worst of the worst for many years. If this were ubisoft, people would be stomping the game. Here, its something genius that only refined people get
I disagree. The open world in Horizon is not a rewarding thing to move through. The areas just exist as combat zones with the occasional collectable. It is visually incredibly, but very, very shallow... especially in comparison to the best examples of open worlds out there. There's really not much unique stuff to discover.
BotW has a much larger sense of adventure imo, it has far more to actually discover while exploring.
The game is a masterpiece of game design, but it's not for everyone... and that's ok đź‘Ť
Na, the game is amazing and will top GOTY polls. Wait for it! ;)
The way you play has you mentally surveying the ground on the fly to find the best micro-routes around rocks, bumps and the like. Just as you would in real life when walking through similar countryside. It's that that's lost when you watch a video of it because it's something subtle but very effective and almost uncanny in how natural it feels (assisted by the landscape being close or identical to parts of Earth we're familiar with). It makes the act of walking active instead of passive as it is in most games.
Not to say you would enjoy it, but there's a significant amount lost in translation for the traversal when watching a video vs. playing.
Not to say you would enjoy it, but there's a significant amount lost in translation for the traversal when watching a video vs. playing.
I disagree with the bolded but outside of that my view completely mirrors yours.
I usually don't really care about the open world part of open world games,(going from point A to point B to get to the scripted missions in a straight line basically) however DS by making the travelling part of the game it's core gameplay loop, it manages to legitimize the open world aspect in a meaningful way even though it's empty.
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But how can this masterpiece of game, that's not for everyone which is ok... đź‘Ť, win GOTY?
If there's one thing that Kojima has been unerringly good at over the years, it's getting halfway to a solid metaphor and then getting distracted by something else so the payoff evaporates.
It's brilliant, OP. Absolutely agree. I can't think of a better open world game in terms of marrying its robust mechanics with the world design and map/terrain system. Meticulously plotting out your route on the map by drawing out a route and executing on it is one of the more satisfying feelings I've had all gen.
The visual and sound design are both out of this world, too.
The visual and sound design are both out of this world, too.
I would love to see some sales numbers. You can still buy the Collector's Editon in Germany. Every other Sony CE was sold out months before release.
Lol... Dead Stranding threads are getting ridiculous.
This is mainly a Sony forum. I wouldn't be surprised if it won it here. It won't win many outside of here though.
I'm not exactly sure how sales numbers are relevant to the topic at hand.
It's a very popular game, so people are excited. It also does a lot of things very well. Same things happens for other games that are very popular like this. Nothing strange happening.
I mean that goes for all games, but usually there is more to a game than just traversing the map and I'm not paying $60 for something that looks like it would be a waste of my time, there must be something interesting there that shine through even in a gameplay video before I bite. So I just went to youtube instead and played through the story there because that's all that was left that I didn't want to miss.
They were commenting on the specific comment they were replying to?
Death Stranding sounds like a game that overstays it's welcome and then moves in with you. From videos I've seen, it seems like a concept that would work for a shorter game but it's not.
i'm gonna imagine it sold A Lot, perhaps even More than Baba Is You, a true piece of art that redefines what a video game can be.
It felt very rewarding to me, just to go through and see the different areas, tame some of the robots to ride, experiment with the herds and different gear. I never got bored of it and simply cannot agree to just break it down to a series of connected combat zones.
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