"Playing it wrong"
Gosh thats the most BS counterpoint someone can come up with, especially in an open world game about hiking
Gosh thats the most BS counterpoint someone can come up with, especially in an open world game about hiking
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Death Stranding Dunkey review
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Oh, right, is that the part when you said:
and then tried to argue that that's not what you meant, at all? Okay.
Dunkey thread has given rise to A True Hero of the Web.
Yes mate, saying the hyperbolic negativity is often from players who haven't played it is true, that is NOT the same thing as saying "people who dislike this game haven't played it".
Again, jfc at your constant dishonesty and/or lack of reading comprehension.
No dude , this is in my top 5 of this generation and it's not ridiculous.
for context of this year.
My favorite games were
1. Death Stranding
2. RE2make
3. Control
4. Sekiro
5.Luigis Mansion 3
all of them very varied in their styles and mechanics and focus.
is it really unfathomable that maybe Death Strandings mechanics and design resonates with people other than yourself?
Comparing it to Transformers is disingenuous and trolly, and frankly really not comparable. Death Stranding is a slow methodical interactive experience and Transformers is a loud bombastic lowest common denominator of a movie.
Trash review.
I think the guy just didn't know how to play the game.
I literally only fell into water once.
He doesn't know how to climb mountains
This is just meant to rile people up honestly.
I think the guy just didn't know how to play the game.
I literally only fell into water once.
He doesn't know how to climb mountains
This is just meant to rile people up honestly.
Cute. I'll tell you what, I'll go and google it when you show me your numbers for the "large subset"?
Oxford English: "based on anecdotes and possibly not true or accurate "
Wikitionary: "A limited selection of examples which support or refute an argument, but which are not supported by scientific or statistical analysis."
Cambridge: " Anecdotal information is not based on facts or careful study: "
Merriam Webster: "evidence in the form of stories that people tell about what has happened to them"
So there you go. Why dont you do a quick google and show me the special definition you're using where when one person relates their experience its anecdotal but when multiple, oh sorry, when a "large subset" relate their experiences it magically isnt anecdotal?
Yep, and I said the myth is that "most" of the people who dislike it didn't play it. We can argue the finer points of distinction between "often" and "most" until the cows come home, but it's not misrepresenting what you said.
Yes, it is entirely misrepresenting what I said. I never said MOST. "Often" in this context doesn't even come close to "most" and your inability to recognise this is frightening. You are incredibly, incredibly dishonest and you can literally NEVER acknowledge your mistakes.
His examples in the video are like that thread where someone was complaining that Bloodborne sucked, and then people found out he didn't know there was a Dodge.
See their exchange with me above, they literally never conceded a point and always wiggle around dishonestly.
Literally the first sentence of Wikipedia article:
"Anecdotal evidence is evidence from anecdotes: evidence collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony."
Large subset is very easily proven, actually, look up DS opencritic page or direct your eyes to the poll in this thread.
Again, nobody is claiming a lot of people didn't have fun with DS, but definedMF tried to dismiss Dunkey's points by saying "it didn't happen to me". It doesn't get more anecdotal than that, sorry.
Dunky's "points" were played up on purpose to frame the game in a hyperbolic way.
This is what he DOES for a career, lol.
Do you know who Dunky is?
I play lots of games, at least 1-2 a month and try to keep up with all of the big releases. It's definitley in my top 5 this generation.
right now if I hade to give a rough top five for this gen it would probably be.
1. The Last Guardian
2. God of War
3. Red Dead Redemption 2
4. Death Stranding
5. A dead heat between Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3
Again, this is a game about traversing terrain using the tools you have, not hyper fast combat with loads of depth,combinations and mechanics
Yeah, pretty much how I feel, couldn't have said it any better.
Were they really? Because his Dunkview videos are supposed to be his real reviews.
A game about traversing... with deep, varied, and precise mechanics to do so.
If you think his representation of the game isn't hyperbolic here, and that he isn't intentionally playing badly for lols... lmfao.
I'll bite... Is the word in question anecdotal? If so, the Merriam-Webster definition is
Comes from the Greek anekdota which means unpublished.
You shouldn't even bother really. I will say generally I've never seen it be so obvious when someone criticizes the game and hasn't played it, maybe that's due to it being centered around a delivery man.
And he does not use the tools correctly or outright ignores them. That's what we mean when we say he's playing wrong. He's failing the mechanics tests the game's laying out for him.
Would it be better if we reframed it as saying he sucks at the game? Git gud, Dunkey!
See, now we're getting somewhere. It's almost as if different people can have different opinions on a piece of entertainment media.
Why do you want to post so bad about a product you haven't experienced to begin with?
Claven does this all the time, I don't know why I bite... it's more for the benefit of others new to his specific style of dishonesty.
He is intentionally playing badly and going against what the game explicitly teaches you to frame it as a janky mess to hype up his lols.
To be clear, you haven't played it right? If you had, you would know this.
This is the third time you've accused me of dishonesty. It's getting a little tiresome. Not only is this thread chock full of people equating not liking a game with not having played it, but you yourself made that connection and then tried to argue against it.
This is genuinely amusing. Did you actually read what you quoted? Are you suggesting that opencritic is not casual or informal? Are you suggesting that that reviews are not personal testimony? definedMF's evidence is certainly anecdotal, just like Dunkey's or this phantom "large subset" you're in love with. Your quote certainly doesnt "prove" your bizarre personal definition of anecdotal where "one anecdote=anecdotal, multiple anecdotes=solid objective evidence guy." Your "proof" of the "large subset" is equally flawed. We cant define as large as we don't know the total number of units sold is, but its probably big enough that the 109 opencritic reviews (all of which arent negative) or the 264 negative votes in the poll (assuming they all played it) wouldnt in any way constitute a "large" subset. It would in fact likely constitute less than one percent of units sold. I enjoy arguing semantics as much as the next bored forum user. But I genuinely can't believe you're arguing in good faith so I'm done.
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"The game wants you to travel as light as possible but punishes you for being unequipped"
No. The game wants you to bring as much as you can and use the equipment to make it easier.
Spamming X up shit is totally the right way to play the game when it literally draws a few recommend paths on the map for you and straight up a wall is never one of them.
How? Dunkey might as well be playing Modern Warfare and getting mad at his own grenades for killing him when he throws them at his feet. That's the level of mechanical disregard on display here.
"Open world" has never meant "ignore how the game functions."
I'm putting you on ignore, I'm probably going to get banned if I carry on allowing you to rile me up with your horrible dishonesty. Goodbye.
Yes, he is intentionally playing it badly. This is like walking up to a group of enemies in DS and button bashing and dying and saying "BAD GAME".
Probably just as well, since you don't seem to be able or willing to grasp basic concepts.
dude you tried to argue that most and often are the same thing.
Thank you for calling this out too, it was driving me a little nuts. <3
I honestly cba to search for the more sweeping statements about people not liking the game because they haven't played it ITT on phone, but they're here, trust me.
A good number of his commenters seemed to take him seriously. So it's not just here. Also several other Dunkviews have been legit reviews so why do this one dirty?
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I'm glad after 24 pages we've finally gotten to the take of "Dunky Isn't Being Hyperbolic" lmao
yall are on one sometimes
yall are on one sometimes
Ah irony, they name is Claven's bullshit. That's fairly rich coming from someone who has gone out of their way to misrepresent what people have said in the most ignorant and transparent way possible. Balls, guess I made a liar of myself.
Bollocks. They didn't say "Not liking this game is the same thing as not having played it", which would be equating (another word you arent too sure of the meaning of champ?) They said, and you cant possibly have missed it as you quoted it "hyperbolic negativity surrounding it which often comes from people who haven't even tried it" To help you out I'll explain what that sentence means, as its meaning seems to have escaped you on multiple occasions, they are saying that often (i.e. not always) the hyperbolic negativity surrounding the game comes from people who have not played it. They are, to belabor the point, not equating disliking the game with not having played it. You can tell because that's literally not what they said.
Why on earth would anyone be stupid enough to do that?
It's amazing.
Exactly this.
<3
You know, this is an excellent opportunity to have an illuminating discussion over why someone/players/buyers need a branded third party to give external approval/referral/acknowledgement in order to assign personal value/price to something/product, and how the opposite is also true, as branded third parties also need to give the approval/referral/acknowledgement of a product/game so someone/players can assign them personal value/price/donation.
In this case, as some players inevitably let this particular Dunkview influence negatively the personal value assigned to Death Stranding, others with an already assigned value to Death Stranding will then let Dunk's disapproval negatively impact their view on him. To the latter, I say beware, for comedians feed on misconceptions.
Would it be the case that in our particular niche it stemmed from gaming magazines capitalizing on the console wars, which escalated into a culture of "absolute" ranking that just doesn't reflect the different tastes in the community as it stands right now?
In this case, as some players inevitably let this particular Dunkview influence negatively the personal value assigned to Death Stranding, others with an already assigned value to Death Stranding will then let Dunk's disapproval negatively impact their view on him. To the latter, I say beware, for comedians feed on misconceptions.
Would it be the case that in our particular niche it stemmed from gaming magazines capitalizing on the console wars, which escalated into a culture of "absolute" ranking that just doesn't reflect the different tastes in the community as it stands right now?
What do you mean were they really? Trying to walk on sheer cliffs and trying to climb rockfaces in manner that the game is not designed around absolutely is a willful distortion of how the game plays.
The last months teached me that some people really want to believe that Death Stranding is some kind of super shitty and janky non-game. So no surprise that they take this "review" for the reality of things.
Here is what happens if you try to do X on Y terrain:
FALLS
Here is how you overcome Y terrain with Z tools:
MOVES FAST
*ignores above"
*skyrims up cliff face clearly marked with red Xs to show you will fall*
*falls*
"BAD MECHANICS"
This is ridiculous. You should always be willing to try things you don't usually like. So what if you tend not to like westerns? Who's to say RDR might not change your mind or be something special? This line of thinking is everywhere these days and it seems like people just want everyone to stay in their comfort zones. If you don't already have an affinity for something then you shouldn't play it? That's silly.
Of course. As I said before, my take on his "comedic" falls are that the game bored him and he fucked around in it. That doesn't take away his points, though, about game being boring (obviously, for him, not universally). It's similar to what Jim Sterling does in his Jimpressions, IMO.