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Death Stranding Dunkey review
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Based on how Dunkey talks about games when he's being a bit more serious, it was obvious that Death Stranding wasn't going to appeal to him. I enjoyed the video though.
This Part I in a long litany of shitpost pieces we will see on Era for the next year or so, until some other game hits the masses and outrage culture runs with it. Dunkey just perpetuating this outrage culture like Crowbcat to get those clicks, and it sadly works everttime.
Dunkey legitimately made it harder on himself then not, this game was a simple yet extremely rewarding game. One I haven't experienced in ages.
Dunkey legitimately made it harder on himself then not, this game was a simple yet extremely rewarding game. One I haven't experienced in ages.
This video is so far from on point. Dunky is playing it badly on purpose, if you watch someone playing the game properly it looks nothing like this.
What would you say if you heard the OT is full of people who had the exact opinion you just expressed, then risked trying it regardless and found they loved it?
It's perfectly okay to not try a game, not everything is for everyone, but this is absolutely a game that cannot be expressed via the traditional means of observing gameplay footage. It really, really does need to be played for you to see if it will click for YOU.
I thought it looked incredibly boring and was quite aghast at the idea that Kojima had wasted an entire game on something like this... then I played it, and it clicked so hard the game has become my GotG.
Not trying to be pushy, merely attempting to convey how this game really does need to be played to be understood.
I dunno that's something that's true for pretty much every game out there.
I mean every game can yield you a good time if it scratches an itch. I mean as long as it's not entirely unplayable or something.
Like I'm sure the recent Terminator game can be a decent ride if you just want a not-entierly-shit game in a Terminator apocalyptic setting. That doesn't say much with regard to the game, like whether or not the gameplay is satisfying, whether or not the story is well written, etc.
Good Kojima writing is present in all of his games. One of the main issues is that it's lost in translation to western audiences, and the literal approach he takes makes it clunky at times.
MGS1 is the best western translation of his games because the translator was given free reign and actually went out if his way to translate the writing into something more palatable for the western audience while staying true to the intended meaning.
The sad part here is that when Kojima created MGSi with the intent to allow users to experience both language VA and subtitles, he was informed of the "liberties" that had been taken with his work, and he clamped down and made sure the translation was more literal in his game going forward.
Kojima'a writing is good imo, overall, but his insistence to remain literal in translation harms it often.
I love the setting. I love when a sweet ass song kicks in while I'm in beautiful, desolate environments. But then really bad, convoluted, needlessly indulgent and exposition heavy cutscenes ruin my mood again.
This isn't about the game being too one of a kind. It's fetch quests with copy paste stations and a reasonably elaorate shared world design. They absolutely had to craft an elaborate system for walking/driving, because that's pretty much all you do (the combat sucks, let's not kid ourselves). Problem is, that made walking cumbersome instead of engaging for me. It's not like I "don't get it", I just think it's over all a bad game.
Likening this game to Journey is an insult to Journey, frankly.
Let me clarify. I meant word "great" specifically.
Of the amount that I have played, I've enjoyed parts of it to some degree, but the cringe worthy dialog pulls me out immediately.
So yes, I find it disturbing that 45% of people here would call this experience Great.
If you can say this then you never seriously thought through how videogames work.
Here's a hint. Information is conveyed very differently with these games which makes one version objectively better in most ways except when it rains.
If you can't break down that hint then don't bother criticizing Dunkey's point.
You don't need to clarify, it was obvious we understood that from our responses...
The fact you fund that disturbing, especially after people have explained it, is the actual disturbing thing here.
The game is great imo. GotG.
Yes, Death Stranding is objectively better than BotW at this!
See, I can make dumb subject statements as fact style comments too! What a mess...
PS - imo, DS is better than BotW at this.
As far as I remember it, the ending of MGS3 is pretty decent. Not mind-blowing, but quite good.
But yeah, that's not much.
Different strokes for different folks but the world building in the game blew me away so I could totally understand why people think it's a great experience. Media is not always about the story on paper that it's trying to tell.
Huey's subplot on MGSV is great, his send-off was amazing: "You keep calling him a dog, but he's clearly a wolf!"
It's one of the few moments when the game's plot managed to live up to the expectations and tone setted up by the trailers
So, if disliking the game is "clickbaiting", "outrage culture", "shitposting" and "hate train", then liking the game must surely be "fanboyism" and "Kojima cult". Right?
Or how does this work? No one is allowed to not enjoy the game, because it's _objectively_ awesome? Help me out here.
That wasn't their point and you known it...
It is absolutely fine to dislike this game, but there is a clear and hyperbolic negativity surrounding it which often comes from people who haven't even tried it.
And that is what that poster is talking about, and what Dunky's played up for lols gameplay is perpetuating.
They do NOT mean the actual fairly expressed negative opinions and critiques which are absolutely valuable.
That's really cool.
I heard this game is a low key city builder but while that seems questionable you can make some interesting things you can't make in Minecraft or Simcity.
This keeps coming up, this myth about how most of the people who didn't enjoy the game actually haven't played it, but there are still no receipts to support it. Also, a fair number of reviewers didn't enjoy it, are we to assume they haven't played it either?
When people have more information they can make more informed decisions. That capacity to be informed guaranties there are ways to be objectively better in a mathematical sense.
This is why rain is an outlier because it throws in RNG that renders your mental calculations useless.
lol, no, your opinion of BotW here is nothing more than an opinion.
There's not liking something, then there's claiming false aspects of a game that are completely explained and conveyed to the player.
If the player chooses to ignore the rules of the game, the aspect of the mechanics and the the details of story (which Dunkey has chosen to do here, and has done before) then I will absolutely call out them out for "shitposting" and "clickbaiting" nature of their videos.
Its a pretty simple explanation. You can validly not like something without using piss poor examples to prove your case, something Dunkey seems to be marvelous at overlooking.
Why do you care so much? There're people who buy FIFA every year and still loves it why don't you go ''disturbing'' on those people instead?
By your logic everyone who enjoyed Euro Truck Simulator is either a fanboy or just fucking weird.
My take on the video was that he was bored with the game and tried to fuck around in it, not that he was playing "wrong" the entire time.
So you don't do research to prepare yourself in life? The information you gained from education was worthless? Your life experiences to teach you the mistakes to avoid in the future was worthless? You really aren't thinking through what I'm conveying here about information dissemination.
Games are designed to varying degrees ranging from perfect information (Into the breach) and zero information (rogue). People are usually better off with more information available but games experiment with concealing it with the hope of making a fun experience in reacting to the unexpected.
He exaggerated some stuff for comedy, some of you need to calm down. Perpetuating outrage culture? No.
None of that has anything to do with your subjective opinion of the mechanics of two video games.
And of course you ignore the fact you read my post wrong, and just move along... why can't some of you just say "my bad"?
In BOTW the ability to glide past or climb up various obstacles requires careful management of your stamina. You know to a high degree how far you can go before failing because of the stamina bar. With Death Stranding there are prompts to help you overcome specific obstacles but by and large you have to play a balancing game while moving and if you want to move more quickly the more difficult it is too move without tripping. If there was a balance bar displayed that would be the equivalent of BOTW's stamina bar.
With that type of UI tool players have less information and will make worse decisions in how they move Sam which will lead to more frustrating experiences beyond their control.
Pretty much, no different than people who try to jump cliffs on Skyrim when obviously they know the proper paths of travel designated by the game.
Have you played the game, may I ask?
Death Stranding is super consistent and tight with all of its mechanics. If you fall, YOU have made a mistake. Terrain is clearly marked via a scan and ALWAYS behaves the same way when you perform an action crossing it, and the tools you have ALWAYS produce the same results when you use them as a solution to that terrain.
The game very clearly shows you exactly what you need to do to consistently overcome the obstacles, the mechanics are tight and polished. Videos of people ignoring them like Dunky's do not convey this.
Look, Dunky's comedy is fine. He does this to ham up for all games he plays, and it's perfectly okay.
The thing we're highlighting is that there IS a lot of hyperbolic negativity surrounding this game.
Kojima's self indulgence and importance, the calls of "new genre", the divisive nature of the gameplay focus itself, the fact the game inhabits the AAA space which is most often reserved for more obvious and straight forward gameplay and the fact this game is not going to appeal to everyone for a huge amount of perfectly valid reasons.
As someone above said, this creates a perfect storm for hyperbole, and Dunky's usual hyperbolic "bad gameplay for lols" is having more of an effect here than it usually does due to the divisive nature of the gameplay focus.
And the reason some of us are a little bummed by this is that many of us WERE the players who thought this looked bad, and the fact the OT is full of people just like us who would have watched Dunky's video and had our negative option reinforced. Even though we know it's comedy first and foremost, there is a thread of genuine dislike running throughout his video that is conveyed overtly, and that disliek is fine in itself but mixed with the hyperoble it helps muddy online discourse.
And we find this a shame because his video will be, for many, the final nail in the coffin. And many people who might have been just like us, players who were entirely put off by the footage and reviews who ended up finding a game we love despite all the flaws... the fact this game is doing something unique in the AAA space. The fact Kojima even gets to do what he does with the budgets he commands...
I mean, there are examples of posters ITT saying things like "this video conveys the reasons why I know I won't like this game", and that is the issue we're highlighting.
Gaming is better because of developers like Kojima who have a vision outside of the standard, and while it is 100% okay for you to play and dislike Death Stranding, or Kojima's games in general, and I can fully understand a lot of the more negative opinions, this is a game that really needs to be played to see if YOU will get it. And a lot of players who might have found something they thought special will likely never try it because of hyperbole like Dunky's video.
And we just think it 's a shame, because games like this don't happen often in AAA and too many people have been convinced they would hate it then tried it and loved it.
No I get that part but myself, along with many others, who really dig the game have clarified in painstaking detail what it is they find so appealing about the game. Not that I expect you to read all my posts, you didn't even talk to me directly, but as for myself, I'm well aware the dialog and characters are fucking asinine but it's not something that remotely factors into my enjoyment of games. I know it's C-grade Hollywood pastiche schlock juxtaposed with legit amazing world building and environmental storytelling, it's just that it doesn't impact me whatsoever. I grew up with story justifications like "oh no, someone kidnapped your girl, go fist-fight". I wager there are tons of players out there with the same take on Kojima's entertaining-yet-silly-and-fun story antics.
I don't get why the idea that some people just don't care if cutscenes are goofy is disturbing. I also don't understand why people expected a really serious, grounded philosophical treatise from a dude who continuously throughout his career, including this very game, had at the very least a handful of shit, piss and fart jokes in his games. In this game your weapons fighting otherwordly Silent Hill apparitions are...piss and shit and shower water grenades...and you can literally equip your cock and use the "fire" trigger to piss while a fucking baby strapped to your stomach giggles through your controller. I truly think players take Kojima's antics way more seriously than he does by a long stretch. And don't even get me started on the obviously silly ass character names, I think he's just having fun.
I just don't see the big difference here to his previous work in terms of silliness or juxtaposition of silliness and beautiful atmosphere and so on. In general, this game is typical, pure Kojima to me the more I play it and like I said, I seriously only rented it because I wanted to see just how shitty this game really is because the videos looked so fucking boring.
And again, I'm not trying to convince you or whatever, or even others, I just think the meme-level mockery this game is receiving is misguided and getting more and more ridiculous. It's a "thing" now and while I was on that bash train at first, I'm not saying everyone should love it just because I ended up doing so but it deserves way more of a chance than a lot of people are willing to give it, especially on a super-nerdy enthusiast forum like ERA.
Edit: Just to add, I'm fully aware Kojima's dumb ass marketing and Twitter shitposting largely contributed to this.
Then the framing of the entire video doesn't necessarily convey that assumption of yours.
Also if he was so bored with, as much so to give it a 1/5, why see it to the end and make a video bashing on it unduly?
None of what he is saying in the video seems valid (despite peoples view on the writing). I personally never really had any issues withe gameplay loop and even when I tried doing wacky shit I didn't blame the game for anything because its not what the game is intended for and I don't expect it to do the wacky shit perfectly in a world where physics systems are very important to traversal.
Hey, no-one asked for good dramatic writing. I think Kojima could write a perfectly entertaining comedy game, even if some of the comedy would be accidental because the man couldn't write a believable human character to save his life.
Are you saying he played it wrong? The game has horrible driving mechanics because it's animation based. There is no way to make a vehicle turn over or capsize no matter how hard you try. You ever tried jumping with the bikes? It's linear motion straight up. Feels like a keyframed animation instead of purely physics-based which feels so wrong compared to how you jump on foot. Another weird part with the bikes is reversing, it's like the longer you held the gas down the longer it takes for you to start going in reverse even though you're standing still! It makes no sense. It makes no sense.
All vehicles should have been removed from the game. They are horrible to drive, get stuck on absolutely everything, and are too useful making the only enjoyable mechanic; walking, pointless.