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Death Stranding Dunkey review
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I haven't played the game and probably never will, but Dunkey echoes every impression I've been left with from what I've seen of, and read about, the game. It seems like a bad, boring and thoroughly tedious game with high production values and nice graphics.
Meh...I'm really enjoying it. It's super addictive in that "just one more run" feel. The mechanics are interesting, and the story is really interesting so far. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I myself have been enjoying it quite a lot.
Aren't you the one who called Seikiro a DMC game? I'm still not really sure what you were getting at there.
The game is awesome. If I went off videos like this I'd think the same thing as you.
Yo! So reading lots of comments and interviews by Kojima over the last decades I can only say with certainty that the dude is half self-aware of how silly some aspects of his games and stories are and half unaware. My first instinct is that yeah, he just wants players to have a huge laugh after what is suppsoed to be a big showdown.
But part of me also thinks the line is supposed to be genuinly endearing and the beach run is intended to be genuinly touching. Kojima is very inconsistent with some huge blind spots in this regard so both possibilities are open.
It's funny either way though.
What?
No.
You're a nuke.
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Of course. I'm in the "A to B" camp myself, but I recognize people enjoy weird things in gaming - there's this guy who beats Dark Souls with his toes, people spend hundreds of hours building their Lego castle in Minecraft or managing a fortresses in ASCII Dwarf Fortress. Whatever makes them happy is a legit way to spend their time. But then you have these die hards who come into threads like these and just _need_ everyone else to like this thing they like, or they are dumb or something.
Now that's funny.
What? No it's not. Fun in and of itself is subjective. What may be fun to you may not be for somebody else.
I mean I dont think it's its own revolutionary genre, but the social aspect of the game is extremely important not only to how it plays but also the message it's trying to send. Dunkey doesn't even mention that part of the game and erroneously attributes "strand" to walking.
He's quite literally playing the in the worst way possible and throwing himself into frustrating situations. You aren't really meant to be taking motorcycles up the sides of mountains, for example.
Exactly. But stating the game is not fun. Its a lie. The game is lots of fun, thers alot of fun gameplay mechanics in the game, more than most games out there right now.
I was implying that you can't play Death Stranding like an action game and you told me is in the action adventure genre, I used Sekiro and Devil May Cry to note that not every game is the same.
A game about balancing cargo and weight can be boring but it's not bad because you can't fast run your way out of things like Mario.
Dunkey clearly wanted to play a different game, that's alright but I'm just saying he played it wrong. Not that it would change anything, he's just not interested.
The story imo is interesting, but it's not deep at all. The gameplay absolutely is. There's way more involved than just "get box from A to B". You have to plot out routes, what supplies to bring, how to plan out structures and upgrades to make travel easier, deal with setbacks when your previous plans fail due to enemies or poor management.
To properly play Death Stranding, it absolutely takes a willingness to learn and traverse the many systems presented. That might make some people feel like they're doing work rather than play a game.
But does that hit the previously meaningful standard for allowing a game to fit a new genre, nevermind for allowing Kojima to simply declare it to be the start of one? Maybe the answer is yes, but does it really add so much that it cannot simply be treated as a high budget delivery sim?
I'm sure you can figure that out yourself, and if you can't, don't ask me.
Like I said, haven't played the game! I might pick it up on black friday when the $200 bundle.
But you're the exact opposite, not representing what the game is truly about and boiling it down to "A to B". How are the die hards coming up with these "intellectual" arguments worse than your equally ridiculous opinion?
It depends on what you define failure as. If a game fails to engage the player with the gameplay, than plenty of people would consider it a "failure" of a game.
This is a weird post. Half the people in this thread disagree with Dunkey and praise this game. Or do the few posts that do the opposite irk you so much? Though of course that's not even talking about the "I'm better than you too" part, but that's a whole different egg.
No, it's not. You think those gameplay mechanics are fun. Your opinion isn't a universal fact. Some people don't think those gameplay mechanics are fun. There's nothing dishonest about saying the gameplay in any game isn't fun because that's purely subjective in the first place.
Yes it absolutely does. The game does a lot to differentiate itself from other open-worlds titles. Where most are concerned with what happens at point A and point B and everything in between is filler, DS is a game about what happens in between those points.
As I understand it, he is a massive MGS fan and was very interested. I would also assume he used footage meant to make his point not qualify the video as a tight representation optimal gameplay.
And the dissimilarity of two games in the same genre does not open up the genre to whatever wants to join. Two games can be different but still clearly share genre determinative traits and strong points. Similarly, two games can be different and not share those treats or strong points. Maybe this is one that fits into a few genres though, could be.
Enlighten me, what is the game "truly" about? Because to me it seems awfully like a game about bringing things from A to B (and building some stuff to bring them from A to B faster or helping others bring them from A to B faster).
Please no "it really makes you think about human connections".
Go.
You realize this is a review, right? And reviews are inherently just the opinions of the reviewers? If Dunkey didn't find the game to be fun, then how is saying "it's not fun" a lie?
I know, the problem is that the game is not robust enough to implement a way to prevent it while feeling natural. You can zigzag/turbo almost anything, it's like the Mako in ME1 or horses in Skyrim. And for a game about traversal, the lack of something this obvious is quite bad, same with "forced climbing while cancelling animations" and other really bad problems the game has with traversal.
Basically all walking simulators, exploration games, and open world games are more focused on the journey than the destination, at least if you buy their press. Most of those games have a whole lot more than rocks, ghosts, and inventory management on the way there though.
His refusal to put anything at A or B does not enhance the trip between the two of them.
Fun is a really subjective thing, you can't force anything to be fun for everyone. Of course Dunkey tried to play against the game design, and was even less fun. But there's no thing as a "subjectively fun" game.
I can also say alot of games i dont have fun with are not fun. Like Fortnite to me is not fun. but it would be a lie to be to factually state it as a not fun game. Same for Death Stranding. You might not enjoy the gameplay and to YOU might not be fun. But stating like its a fact that DS isent fun, its a big fat lie that i have been reading mostly from ppl that never played the game or are super closed mind to new gameplay experiences.
Plenty of games put a bunch of stuff on the way from point A to B. Hell, it's an open world staple at this point. Death Stranding focuses on the traversal part, not about things "happening" on the way.
Because it would be like reducing MGSV to "You shoot people", when there's way more going on there. MGSV's strengths were it's ability to choose how you tackled things, planning your mission, loading up the relevant equipment for the type of mission etc. Same exact thing in this game. The difference is the end objective, instead of killing/fultoning people out, you travel between locations. How you go to that location and what method you choose is up to you, and there's tons of ways to do it. Which way you choose can effect a person's experience drastically.
All the things people praised MGSV for is here, all except for the focus on killing/fighting (which is in this game too). Unfortunately you can't really demonstrate player choice in videos, only that particular person's choice and you aren't privy to their private thoughts on why they chose that path.
What I say is that he wasn't interested once he experience what the game was about, it actually really looks like he wanted to play like a Metal Gear game and it's a continent away from it. Not the game's fault, it's not called nor it was promised a Metal Gear game.
Is not Dunkey's fault either, I just saw the footage and saw a guy doing what you're not supposed to do in Death Stranding, run around like a maniac.
Why I don't agree is saying the game is bad because it's not what you imagine ir should be but I understand is confusing to see what is the line between this is bad or this is not for me.
So the same logic can be reversed. If stating as a fact that the game is fun, but to me isn't that fun, someone is lying, and it doesn't need to be me.
Do you want him to say "In my opinion" every time in his own review? You clicked it knowing it was Dunkey and his opinion is what you're going to get.
I can make a video and say "Sekiro is the worst game by From in recent memory". And anyone who clicks it knows it's just my opinion, nothing else.
Yes, things like kill x amount of enemies, listen to dialogue, etc etc. But that is filler. The majority of things that actually impact the gameplay occur once you've reached your destination. In DS you are constantly engaged while reaching those points.
Walking simulators are probably the extreme example of my point. You "walk" from points of interest and what happens at those points is the gameplay (Edith Finch?) and I love plenty of those games. But in DS, the walking IS the gameplay.
for what it's worth, I'm no Kojima stan (though I traditionally enjoy the games he makes, with some notable exceptions) and I'm having a blast with Death Stranding so far. I've put over 30 hours into it and they've all been a ton of fun.
I also feel people really overstate the preparing aspect. Most of the missions I've done will just require you to use the same load-out you lose and plotting a rout is always extremely obvious because there's so few actual challenges you need to care about when traversing the field.
Yes it is. What did you expect from Kojima? He wants to make movies, but the cheapest B tier movie is not as poor.
I think that was a little bit condescending, but to respond to it fairly neutrally, I will just say that it seems pretty clear that he and other critics have complained about far more than a simple case of the game not being for them or what they expected.
I think confronting criticism head-on would be more effective and genuine than dismissing its very legitimacy.
Death Standing truly is one of the most divisive games to come out in such a long time. I found it to be a masterpiece. It's something that every gamer should experience or at least check out even if they're a bystander and watching someone else. Small snipets of the game do not do it justice as it's the build up plus trials and tribulations that make it what it is. The game was completely engrossing for me both in terms of its game play and story. While progressing I was rewarded frequently with either new game play mechanics via new tools, plot reveals , gorgeous vistas, frightening surprise encounters and every single step of the way I had to think about my actions. Death Stranding never allowed me to turn my brain off which was so fucking refreshing in a sea of other video games I can mindlessly play. I love many games, but this one is something truly unique and special. Not to mention graphically I was blown away. I have a gaming PC I play 4k content on with ultra settings. I've played through red dead 2. I've played through gears 5. The art style, character models, locations and cut scenes in Death Stranding are honestly the best looking video game graphics I've ever seen. I don't typically gush about graphics because that normally plays second fiddle, but it's like the cherry on top of a perfect sunday to me. Even my roommates were excited for me to keep playing it because they were enjoying watching it so much. The acting, the cut scenes, the story intrigued us all and it was like watching a long series together. Even the music is beautifully woven throughout the experience. I can't sing praises enough for this one.
This thread just makes me wish I bothered to start my own YouTube channel so I could stand on my own soap box and share Death Stranding with as many people as possible to counter act what a review like this one is saying. It saddens me that not everyone will experience the game for themselves and will listen to someone hate it so much without trying it on their own. All I really hope for is if someone's still on the fence that they give the game a shot and decide for themselves. Love it, hate it, or anywhere in-between, it's not often we get a game like this.
This thread just makes me wish I bothered to start my own YouTube channel so I could stand on my own soap box and share Death Stranding with as many people as possible to counter act what a review like this one is saying. It saddens me that not everyone will experience the game for themselves and will listen to someone hate it so much without trying it on their own. All I really hope for is if someone's still on the fence that they give the game a shot and decide for themselves. Love it, hate it, or anywhere in-between, it's not often we get a game like this.
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