Death Stranding coming to PC in Summer 2020 (505 Games publishing)

Hektor · Oct 30, 2019

Console gamers About PC Gaming: Who cares, PC gaming is a hassle, hunching over mouse and keyboards pffff, and the drivers! I will always prefer consoles to PC!

Same people when a perceived exclusive comes to PC: "WITHOUT EXCLUSIVES
WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER WANT A CONSOLE, BETRAYALTHON, LITERALLY ARTHAS"

Sandersson · Oct 30, 2019

Hektor said:
Console gamers About PC Gaming: Who cares, PC gaming is a hassle, hunching over mouse and keyboards pffff, and the drivers! I will always prefer consoles to PC!

Same people when a perceived exclusive comes to PC: "WITHOUT EXCLUSIVES
WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER WANT A CONSOLE, BETRAYALTHON, LITERALLY ARTHAS"

Yeah, this thread has honestly been a disappointment bonanza. Many •formerly• respectable posters are crying about the fact that.. more people get to enjoy a good game..? Why? Add on top of that the possibility of better graphics and performamce and I can only see win in this. This kinda reminds me of that time when Final Fantasy went multiplatform..

SlothmanAllen · Oct 30, 2019

This is a huge thread, but has it been explained why this is happening? You don't normally have an exclusive of this magnitude become non-exclusive right before release.

DrDeckard · Oct 30, 2019

Hektor said:
Console gamers About PC Gaming: Who cares, PC gaming is a hassle, hunching over mouse and keyboards pffff, and the drivers! I will always prefer consoles to PC!

Same people when a perceived exclusive comes to PC: "WITHOUT EXCLUSIVES
WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER WANT A CONSOLE, BETRAYALTHON, LITERALLY ARTHAS"

I kind of agree with you but with the sentiment that anyone who wanted to play an ms console exclusive owned a high end gaming rig and would rather play it there.

Now those people get to choose if they want to play the big holiday Sony exclusive on PC.

GhostTrick · Oct 30, 2019

DrDeckard said:
I kind of agree with you but with the sentiment that anyone who wanted to play an ms console exclusive owned a high end gaming rig and would rather play it there.

Now those people get to choose if they want to play the big holiday Sony exclusive on PC.

It always has been console warring in disguise. People claiming "oh neat I'll play it on my high end PC" when it's about an exclusive from the other platform while playing the rest on their favorite platform.

Rodrigues solitaire · Oct 30, 2019

SlothmanAllen said:
This is a huge thread, but has it been explained why this is happening? You don't normally have an exclusive of this magnitude become non-exclusive right before release.

Way back when Kojima announced his partnership with Sony, a PC version was already confirmed in a Q&A with PlayStation Europe - even though it was deleted shortly after.

Technika · Oct 30, 2019

Unless there is RTX support, there is no other reason to hold off for the PC for me.
Keyboard and mouse combo might be faster, but the controller and couch are more comfy.

DvdGzz · Oct 30, 2019

Conan must have demanded 60+ FPS.

Spark · Oct 30, 2019

SlothmanAllen said:
This is a huge thread, but has it been explained why this is happening? You don't normally have an exclusive of this magnitude become non-exclusive right before release.

Sony also seems to be at fault with the messaging. They seem to have this policy where Playstation first games cannot even mention the PC version up until a certain point, even if it's obvious it exists (stuff like Nioh, Nier, No Man's Sky). Most games people catch on, but this went so far into the 'permanent exclusive' territory with its messaging I have a feeling somebody was getting concerned (possibly KojiPro?) and decided to just announce it as it should have been announced months ago.

R.T Straker · Oct 30, 2019

xylo said:
Who gives a shit about caring to buy some plastic? Did you get to play the game or not is the only thing that matters. Why the hell are you wanting to force something to be exclusive and make people to have to play on a PS4 if they would rather play on a PC? Not everyone wants to play on a PC and they will pick a PS5 or whatever -- having something not be exclusive to your preferred place to play shouldn't matter one damn bit to you.

Some people really can't sleep well at night knowing that others get to enjoy something that is also available outside their plastic piece.

Oh and it's also PlanetSmasher, so yeah.

LewieP · Oct 30, 2019

Spark said:
Sony also seems to be at fault with the messaging. They seem to have this policy where Playstation first games cannot even mention the PC version up until a certain point, even if it's obvious it exists (stuff like Nioh, Nier, No Man's Sky). Most games people catch on, but this went so far into the 'permanent exclusive' territory with its messaging I have a feeling somebody was getting concerned (possibly KojiPro?) and decided to just announce it as it should have been announced months ago.

I think the decision to use Decima engine, an engine that Sony have never even hinted at wanting to license for use on other platforms, was a turning point in the perception of the nature of the exclusivity.

DongBeetle · Oct 30, 2019

Sony wanted to keep Persona 5 so they lost Death Stranding. Life is about trade offs

Pariah · Oct 30, 2019

SlothmanAllen said:
This is a huge thread, but has it been explained why this is happening? You don't normally have an exclusive of this magnitude become non-exclusive right before release.

It's a PlayStation game releasing on multiple platforms due to the arrangement between its independent developer (KP) and its IP owner, publisher and co-financer (SIE). It was never a total exclusive, as the confusing wording implied since the start; it will always be a PlayStation game, regardless of the box where it's played.

As for this announcement, we can only speculate. Conversation around the game has reached a high point; it's additional exposure at a very low price. Perhaps there were details to be solved between all the parts until now, perhaps it was thought that more noise a week before release would make for a bigger impression. Whatever the reason, it doesn't change the nature of what's been announced, or who's behind the IP.

LewieP · Oct 30, 2019

Pariah said:
It's a PlayStation game releasing on multiple platforms due to the arrangement between its independent developer (KP) and its IP owner, publisher and co-financer (SIE). It was never a total exclusive, as the confusing wording implied since the start; it will always be a PlayStation game, regardless of the box where it's played.

As for this announcement, we can only speculate. Conversation around the game has reached a high point; it's additional exposure at a very low price. Perhaps there were details to be solved between all the parts until now, perhaps it was thought that more noise a week before release would make for a bigger impression. Whatever the reason, it doesn't change the nature of what's been announced, or who's behind the IP.

My best guess is that Sony wanted to sell more Playstation consoles in the time between the game was announced and the PC release was confirmed, so in the initial contract negotiations (or perhaps in further negotiations when the engine decision was made) Kojima Productions agreed to no longer talk about the PC version until the week before it releases on PS4.

Pariah · Oct 30, 2019

LewieP said:
My best guess is that Sony wanted to sell more Playstation consoles in the time between the game was announced and the PC release was confirmed, so in the initial contract negotiations (or perhaps in further negotiations when the engine decision was made) Kojima Productions agreed to no longer talk about the PC version until the week before it releases on PS4.

It's very possible. We know any typical marketing deal (though this goes well beyond that) treats other versions as non-existent, even when they do exist. Above there were a few examples, but it's general practice for any of the major publishers.

I can't begin to imagine how difficult this negotiation must have been. There's a big focus, and with good reason, on its multiplatform nature, but it's also significant that Hideo Kojima, of all people, gave up the ownership of its first independent project to another company. I think everybody had to make some concession, hopefully the result it's worth it.

Letters · Oct 30, 2019

aeolist said:
he's got 505 publishing his game so it's not up to him

You really think someone like Kojima just handed his baby to some company to do whatever they please with it on PC? He'll have a say. That being said I'm sure 505 could talk him into being totally ok with them going for a big Epic deal.

Technika said:
Unless there is RTX support, there is no other reason to hold off for the PC for me.
Keyboard and mouse combo might be faster, but the controller and couch are more comfy.

Controller and couch Death Stranding is not playstation exclusive either. :p

The Cellar Letters · Oct 30, 2019

Ahh awesome. 0 reason to buy it now.
Will wait for the sweet 4K.

Deleted member 1120 · Oct 30, 2019

Damn, if it had launched on PC, I'd have bought it there.
Can't wait so buying on PS4.

softtack · Oct 30, 2019

The problem is avoiding spoilers until next year. YouTube thumbnails I'm looking at you.

Ionic · Oct 30, 2019

softtack said:
The problem is avoiding spoilers until next year. YouTube thumbnails I'm looking at you.

I'm banking on the game being so unintelligible that there is no way to spoil it because you can't comprehend what's going on without reading a large fan-wiki.

WildLuckAlexandrite · Oct 30, 2019

Great news but, as others have said, the timing is extremely weird. Really can't think of any incentive to announce this now as opposed to 3 months from now.

elyetis · Oct 30, 2019

softtack said:
The problem is avoiding spoilers until next year. YouTube thumbnails I'm looking at you.

Someone on Era recently changed my life by making me discover the extension "Clickbait Remover for Youtube".

orava · Oct 30, 2019

elyetis said:
Someone on Era recently changed my life by making me discover the extension "Clickbait Remover for Youtube".

I wish i could install this to my tv.

PC-tan · Oct 30, 2019

softtack said:
The problem is avoiding spoilers until next year. YouTube thumbnails I'm looking at you.

I played MGS V when it came out, I never finished the game and it was not until earlier this week when I had the game spoiled for me. I went years without knowing what happens.

That was for Kojimas last go so maybe it would be the same for this game for some people?

Letters · Oct 30, 2019

Ionic said:
I'm banking on the game being so unintelligible that there is no way to spoil it because you can't comprehend what's going on without reading a large fan-wiki.

Yep. Don't fail us now Kojima.

Isamu · Oct 30, 2019

Olaf said:
Now bring Gran Turismo to PC you cowards!

Oh man I was just gonna make a post about this. That would be epic on so many levels!

Cordelia · Oct 30, 2019

softtack said:
The problem is avoiding spoilers until next year. YouTube thumbnails I'm looking at you.

It's not that hard to be honest. Until now I still don't know RDR2 story despite it being talked everywhere.

MilesQ · Oct 31, 2019

Huh, ain't that a surprise.

I guess everyone who held out hope it was still coming to PC were right, but what the hell is going on over at Sony. They intentionally misled people as much as possible. This is worse than when MS locked down Tomb Raider timed exclusivity, at least the press forced them to reveal the truth, here no-one seemed to care either way.

PixelatedDonut · Oct 31, 2019

MilesQ said:
Huh, ain't that a surprise.

I guess everyone who held out hope it was still coming to PC were right, but what the hell is going on over at Sony. They intentionally misled people as much as possible. This is worse than when MS locked down Tomb Raider timed exclusivity, at least the press forced them to reveal the truth, here no-one seemed to care either way.

lol its not that serious, not everything has to be apart of the fanboy wars.

RPGamer92 · Oct 31, 2019

MilesQ said:
Huh, ain't that a surprise.

I guess everyone who held out hope it was still coming to PC were right, but what the hell is going on over at Sony. They intentionally misled people as much as possible. This is worse than when MS locked down Tomb Raider timed exclusivity, at least the press forced them to reveal the truth, here no-one seemed to care either way.

Yep they sure misled people by announcing the PC version a couple weeks before the PS4 version came out /sarcasm.

LewieP · Oct 31, 2019

RPGamer92 said:
Yep they sure misled people by announcing the PC version a couple weeks before the PS4 version came out /sarcasm.

It is pretty obvious that Sony didn't want people to know about the PC version until later on, because the announcement of it and the notion that it was a ps4 exclusive was helping them sell PS4 consoles.

GhostTrick · Oct 31, 2019

MilesQ said:
Huh, ain't that a surprise.

I guess everyone who held out hope it was still coming to PC were right, but what the hell is going on over at Sony. They intentionally misled people as much as possible. This is worse than when MS locked down Tomb Raider timed exclusivity, at least the press forced them to reveal the truth, here no-one seemed to care either way.

And this time, it was already announced as a "console exclusive" and also had that infamous Medium QA which was removed talking about a PC release.

Yes, there is indeed a double standard. Let's say that for exemple, Geoff is more than willing to ask "many people at MS" about RotTR exclusivity:

https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/499192318914998272

Yet you don't see the same willingness about other cases such as FFVII Remake nor Death Stranding.
Now in all fairness, there might also be some guidelines regarding interviews in which interviewers are told not to ask about certain topics.

Alexandros · Oct 31, 2019

PlanetSmasher said:
The problem is that "console exclusivity" is not really all that valuable of a thing. It weakens the strength of a platform if a significant portion of your "exclusives" can be played elsewhere.

At some point, you go from "you can only get this here" to "you can get this everywhere EXCEPT here", and that's just dumb.

"Exclusively not on [X]" is not the way the business should be arcing - it was dumb when Microsoft tried to do "exclusively not on Playstation" deals and it's dumb when Sony tries to do "exclusively not on Xbox" deals.

So which do you prefer, as a gamer?

PixelatedDonut · Oct 31, 2019

GhostTrick said:
And this time, it was already announced as a "console exclusive" and also had that infamous Medium QA which was removed talking about a PC release.

Yes, there is indeed a double standard. Let's say that for exemple, Geoff is more than willing to ask "many people at MS" about RotTR exclusivity:

https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/499192318914998272

Yet you don't see the same willingness about other cases such as FFVII Remake nor Death Stranding.
Now in all fairness, there might also be some guidelines regarding interviews in which interviewers are told not to ask about certain topics.

its been over 5 years and people are still bringing this up....and who thinks FFVII Remake is an actual exclusive?

GhostTrick · Oct 31, 2019

PixelatedDonut said:
its been over 5 years and people are still bringing this up....and who thinks FFVII Remake is an actual exclusive?

No one. But as I said too, I don't see anyone pressing Square Enix nor Sony in any way to get informations about that matter.

DrDeckard · Oct 31, 2019

There is definitely a double standard when it comes to exclusives and the ps platform. I dont believe anyone would argue otherwise.

PixelatedDonut · Oct 31, 2019

DrDeckard said:
There is definitely a double standard when it comes to exclusives and the ps platform. I dont believe anyone would argue otherwise.

I'd argue, I find the idea of some industry wide bias ridiculous way too many people in the press nowadays for that.

GhostTrick said:
No one. But as I said too, I don't see anyone pressing Square Enix nor Sony in any way to get informations about that matter.

The game was announced as debuting on PS4, we know it'll get released on other platforms at a latter time.......why would anyone in the media need to push for info. This all seems extreamly standard nowadays.

PadPoet · Oct 31, 2019

I'll check my NDAs over the weekend and see what I can and cannot state around this story and dramarama. Imagine knowing the whole story and not being able to talk about it right? RIGHT?

I need to update my job title (I work at Social Point as the Lead CM right now), I left 505 Games at the end of August, when Control launched.

MaLDo · Oct 31, 2019

PadPoet said:
I'll check my NDAs over the weekend and see what I can and cannot state around this story and dramarama. Imagine knowing the whole story and not being able to talk about it right? RIGHT?

I need to update my job title (I work at Social Point as the Lead CM right now), I left 505 Games at the end of August, when Control launched.

Do it.

QuiteSomething · Oct 31, 2019

GhostTrick said:
And this time, it was already announced as a "console exclusive" and also had that infamous Medium QA which was removed talking about a PC release.

Yes, there is indeed a double standard. Let's say that for exemple, Geoff is more than willing to ask "many people at MS" about RotTR exclusivity:

https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/499192318914998272

Yet you don't see the same willingness about other cases such as FFVII Remake nor Death Stranding.
Now in all fairness, there might also be some guidelines regarding interviews in which interviewers are told not to ask about certain topics.

Game that was already on a Sony platform going exclusive for one platform vs Sony game that where never confirmed to be exclusive releasing on PC . Absolutely the same situation

PadPoet · Oct 31, 2019

MaLDo said:
Do it.

"I fight for the users" was my quote when I worked at PlayStation. Even though I still believe in being honest, upfront and stating things how they actually happened, I need to check every little wording of every NDA I have signed to make sure I'm not breaking any rules. I have a family to feed and I'm a bit tired getting "blamed" for things I shouldn't be blamed for in the first place. There is a lot of - in my opinion unneeded - drama in the videogame space so better to be safe than sorry ;)

QuiteSomething · Oct 31, 2019

PadPoet said:
"I fight for the users" was my quote when I worked at PlayStation. Even though I still believe in being honest, upfront and stating things how they actually happened, I need to check every little wording of every NDA I have signed to make sure I'm not breaking any rules. I have a family to feed and I'm a bit tired getting "blamed" for things I shouldn't be blamed for in the first place. There is a lot of - in my opinion unneeded - drama in the videogame space so better to be safe than sorry ;)

Appreciate it. But IMO don't risk it if you think it can backfire

BreakerofChains · Oct 31, 2019

PadPoet said:
"I fight for the users" was my quote when I worked at PlayStation. Even though I still believe in being honest, upfront and stating things how they actually happened, I need to check every little wording of every NDA I have signed to make sure I'm not breaking any rules. I have a family to feed and I'm a bit tired getting "blamed" for things I shouldn't be blamed for in the first place. There is a lot of - in my opinion unneeded - drama in the videogame space so better to be safe than sorry ;)

Understatement of the year lol.

PadPoet · Oct 31, 2019

Ruslnis said:
Appreciate it. But IMO don't risk it if you think it can backfire

Of course I won't risk it if it can backfire. Not worth it.

BreakerofChains · Oct 31, 2019

MilesQ said:
Huh, ain't that a surprise.

I guess everyone who held out hope it was still coming to PC were right, but what the hell is going on over at Sony. They intentionally misled people as much as possible. This is worse than when MS locked down Tomb Raider timed exclusivity, at least the press forced them to reveal the truth, here no-one seemed to care either way.

LOL , some of you man.

PadPoet · Oct 31, 2019

BreakerofChains said:
Understatement of the year lol.

I know right?! Love your avatar by the way! <3

BreakerofChains · Oct 31, 2019

PadPoet said:
I know right?! Love your avatar by the way! <3

That's my face reading some of the posts on here haha.

DrDeckard · Oct 31, 2019

PixelatedDonut said:
I'd argue, I find the idea of some industry wide bias ridiculous way too many people in the press nowadays for that.

The game was announced as debuting on PS4, we know it'll get released on other platforms at a latter time.......why would anyone in the media need to push for info. This all seems extreamly standard nowadays.

I dont think theres an industry wide bias but theres key people, and a fanbase that will absolutely go to bat across social media and more to really pressurised other companies to clarify exactly the terms of their exclusivity.....until they buckle.

This simply does not happen to Sony. If it has it shouldnt take long to provide proof. But I cant find any.

PixelatedDonut · Oct 31, 2019

DrDeckard said:
I dont think theres an industry wide bias but theres key people, and a fanbase that will absolutely go to bat across social media and more to really pressurised other companies to clarify exactly the terms of their exclusivity.....until they buckle.

This simply does not happen to Sony. If it has it shouldnt take long to provide proof. But I cant find any.

I think that just down the the audience size, I mean theres more than twice the amount of PS players than xbox. And can you give more than one example of this actually happening becasue outside of tomb raider(used to be associated with PS exclusively), I don't think devs have been forced by outrage to come out about unannounced platforms.

GhostTrick · Oct 31, 2019

PadPoet said:
"I fight for the users" was my quote when I worked at PlayStation. Even though I still believe in being honest, upfront and stating things how they actually happened, I need to check every little wording of every NDA I have signed to make sure I'm not breaking any rules. I have a family to feed and I'm a bit tired getting "blamed" for things I shouldn't be blamed for in the first place. There is a lot of - in my opinion unneeded - drama in the videogame space so better to be safe than sorry ;)

Is it worth it though ? :p
There's no blame to shift on you. There never were any.

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