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Death Stranding - 50-Minute TGS Gameplay Demonstration
- Thread starter Dusk Golem
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You're saying it like there's something wrong with walking sims.
So the objective of the game is to go from point A to B to make a delivery. And during that journey you may encounter bad guys that will stop you from making such delivery.
I don't know about you guys, but that sounds like one of those boring fetch quest in a RPG. But in this game, that's all you do...
This is a pass for me. I'll just watch someone play this game on youtube to satisfy my curiosity.
I don't know about you guys, but that sounds like one of those boring fetch quest in a RPG. But in this game, that's all you do...
This is a pass for me. I'll just watch someone play this game on youtube to satisfy my curiosity.
So far this is day one for me. I really think it is going to be my go to "comfort" game. Just low stress gameplay I can vibe out to. Maybe becuase I'm older but I think I can really enjoy something different like this. It should be interesting with all the little wierd Kojima esque secrets he puts in his games to try to find.
i have always believed that Metal Gear Survive was a game kojima was prepping during his final few years at Konami, and his team went ahead and finished it for him. There are a lot of similarities between the two games. The thirst/hunger meters affecting stamina, sickness or injuries also affecting stamina and of course O2 being a huge factor, right down to the big monster patrolling the underworld.
again, if this stuff actually looks all that 'engaging' to someone, perhaps they should seriously consider a career change:
https://i./1s/2019/02/13/12/9765502-6699413-image-a-11_1550060421892.jpg
Seriously, it seems like you're going to spend more time in the menus than actually playing the game.
I do like that, and I like the little avatar cheering you on, it was cute haha
Yeah and if you like RPGs you should just spend all day in Excel! Haha nerds right?
Aesthetically it's obviously apples and oranges, but the core loop as it has been presented here gives me strong MGSV vibes. Polished and wide open, but take away the sci-fi shell and I can easily see any of Death Stranding's missions that are akin to what was shown growing repetitive, even dull. You're dispatched from z; you're working your way to x; you depart from x and stay vigilant of the chances of running into y; you return to z.
It's not an inherently bad loop, and indeed, my description can be simplified to cover many, many games. But if cargo-carrying is the crux of plenty of the content — and I'm wagering this is probable for multiple reasons I'll expand upon if requested — then I worry that the pretty vistas and immersive mud baths and harmonica will wow me for a little while but quickly become small glimmers of coolness amidst a sea of repetition.
When I first played MGSV, I was startled by how immersive it all felt. But within several hours I was already growing weary of doing the same few things again and again. My ultimate feelings on the game unfortunately fall under the more negative side of the clear and present fandom divide.
Death Stranding has quite an intriguing sense of atmosphere about it, though, and as fellow Xenogears fan Weltall Zero implied upthread, it comes across as intriguingly intellectual entertainment. I'm excited because I'm finally beginning to feel like maybe, just maybe, my proven-accurate pre-release worries that MGSV would have a barebones number of cutscenes are unwarranted in the case of Kojima's latest effort. I don't get as much of an "I get the sinking feeling we've seen half the story in these trailers, if not more so" anymore, whereas previously I was bracing for the worst. So with regard to what it is that Kojima is attempting to communicate to me, the potential player, I'm warming up. As someone who has spent much of my life traveling, soaking in natural beauty, and stepping wayward of what I've come to perceive as "artificial social sustenance," I like what I'm seeing.
I just hope I'll also like what I'm playing.
It's not an inherently bad loop, and indeed, my description can be simplified to cover many, many games. But if cargo-carrying is the crux of plenty of the content — and I'm wagering this is probable for multiple reasons I'll expand upon if requested — then I worry that the pretty vistas and immersive mud baths and harmonica will wow me for a little while but quickly become small glimmers of coolness amidst a sea of repetition.
When I first played MGSV, I was startled by how immersive it all felt. But within several hours I was already growing weary of doing the same few things again and again. My ultimate feelings on the game unfortunately fall under the more negative side of the clear and present fandom divide.
Death Stranding has quite an intriguing sense of atmosphere about it, though, and as fellow Xenogears fan Weltall Zero implied upthread, it comes across as intriguingly intellectual entertainment. I'm excited because I'm finally beginning to feel like maybe, just maybe, my proven-accurate pre-release worries that MGSV would have a barebones number of cutscenes are unwarranted in the case of Kojima's latest effort. I don't get as much of an "I get the sinking feeling we've seen half the story in these trailers, if not more so" anymore, whereas previously I was bracing for the worst. So with regard to what it is that Kojima is attempting to communicate to me, the potential player, I'm warming up. As someone who has spent much of my life traveling, soaking in natural beauty, and stepping wayward of what I've come to perceive as "artificial social sustenance," I like what I'm seeing.
I just hope I'll also like what I'm playing.
Ignore the context of the story, ignore the incredible setting, ignore the fact that you fight fictional beasts, ignore the fact that you can ride vehicles, ignore the fact that you actually use weapons to attack hostile camps, then sure.
yep. & this's exactly why ups drivers make the big bucks: it's all those menus they gotta be checking all the time...
um, ups drivers actually do ride vehicles. really...
There's no need to take it all personal or anything, it's a legit criticism, and you're conflating two separate genres.
After watching the whole thing this morning I'm blown away. So many cool concepts! I wish I could hear the Q&A part in English.
Building infrastructure together across a rugged shared world by dropping structures like ladders, ropes, bridges, jukeboxes, warning signs, vehicles, who knows what else
...and having players rate them is such a cool concept. Do structures with the most "likes" become permanent? Over time I assume the most efficient hiking paths will rise to the top. I can see speed runs taking unique paths being a thing.
And that's not even getting into the BTs and combat which looks awesome in its own right.
Building infrastructure together across a rugged shared world by dropping structures like ladders, ropes, bridges, jukeboxes, warning signs, vehicles, who knows what else
...and having players rate them is such a cool concept. Do structures with the most "likes" become permanent? Over time I assume the most efficient hiking paths will rise to the top. I can see speed runs taking unique paths being a thing.
And that's not even getting into the BTs and combat which looks awesome in its own right.
Keep in mind we haven't played the game so ultimately nobody can say for sure, we're just speculating. Based off the article linked above it does seem like there are many, many things to keep track of outside of a more standard third-person gameplay loop, and that may not appeal to some people who find fun in the gameplay of moving/shooting/traversal/exploration and not within the preparation for those things or the maintenance of things like gauges or attire.
Depending on just how big the landmass is and how complex, all the user help defiitely adds some nice problem solving aspects to the game. But if the areas arent quite as big as them seem i could see it being kind of redundant after a while.
Your opinion is entirely valid, of course, but the multiplayer wouldn't be as successful as it was if a lot of people didn't find the gameplay genuinely fun. Not "engaging", "emotional" or any of the other reasons we love the main story, but pure fun to play.
BOTW and rdr2 have shown that more people are into that than not.
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I don't have a PS4 but I've been keeping a really keen eye on this just out of curiosity and because of some of the people involved.
Watched the full video and my takeaways are:
Watched the full video and my takeaways are:
- The world itself looks beautiful and I'm sure it will be great to go through.
- The combat was okay - didn't really jump out at me as being anything special.
- Still remains to be seen how enjoyable/repetitive the gameplay loop will be/become 10/11 hours into the game.
- The menus have a lot going on.
- If it wasn't for some of the actors involved, I don't see how interesting some of the characters would be otherwise.
This is kind of dumb though. Ignoring everything else, if you could deliver packages on an alien world wouldn't you?
no, i wouldn't. if i were on an alien world, i'd much rather do what ratchet & clank do, thank you. package delivery would be way down on the list...
What I like about these systems is that most of them seem to have a tangible effect on the controls.
Your balance meter isn't something you just pay attention on the menu and when it's at a good number you just go back to holding forward on the analogue stick. If your balance is off, it'll be harder to traverse, especially uneven terrain. That's what interests me the most, how these systems affect the way I interact with the character and world, not just how I interact with the menus.
Or movement speed, which won't just be something you want more of so you can traverse the world more quickly to get to your quest marker, you want better movement speed to survive encounters against armed humans or BTs.
And obviously, the best way to raise both stats is carrying less stuff, which includes ladders and guns, which also obviously directly affect your moment to moment gameplay.
This is my shit. Keeping track of multiple survival game stats just so my character doesn't suddenly die when the meter reaches 0 and the game can work properly is boring to me, but managing these things with my button presses, now that sounds interesting.
Eden makes a great point about this when it comes to Equip Load in this post:
I feel that this is a much more complex subject than how annoying encumbrance can be in RPGs. For all intents and purposes it appears that having a tool for every situation has a very real cost to your mobility instead of what RPGs typically do, as in looking you into a walking state. Which can lead to some real interesting decision making because as we know, the world has hostiles in it that straight up try to steal your shit and scan around for equipment specifically:
My main issue with encumbrance in RPGs as I said in a thread earlier this month, was that they rarely actually present compelling choices. Typically You just are given a ton of shit to pick up and then the game tells you when you have too much and then you drop a bunch of useless things. This seems like a genuine attempt at providing a compelling inventory system that directly affects how you approach situations on top of the part where you make a plan on what to do next.
Like, this situation becomes a lot different when you're carrying a shit ton of equipment on your back affecting not only your ability but also your balance.
Even shooting seems to be directly affected by terrain and your balance.
and make no mistake, when the conditions are right it does appear that the controls are very responsive in typical Kojipro fashion. With a quick dodge and items being able to be picked up super fast.
Like the idea that people don't find this interesting or unique is so confusing to me.
Does anyone know if the harmonica song is a real life song? I remember Mads singing the song in a previous trailer as well.
That bit might just be the most mindblowing part of the gameplay for me - playing harmonica to soothe a baby connectect to your chest, and getting facebook-style likes from said baby.
It so videogame-y but also not, in some weird way.
That bit might just be the most mindblowing part of the gameplay for me - playing harmonica to soothe a baby connectect to your chest, and getting facebook-style likes from said baby.
It so videogame-y but also not, in some weird way.
That's actually really cool. I feel Kojima is onto something here, but he needs to stop being his own hype man.
I suppose that depends on what makes those fetch quests boring to you. Is it the story presentation or the mechanics involved?
If the very fact that you're making a delivery is what makes those quests boring to you, then fair point, this is comparable. But to me, personally, what makes them boring is that I'm just holding forward on the left analogue stick or fast travelling from point A to point B so I can get exposition from random NPCs I'll forget about the next day.
That's why it's so rare that I'll enjoy quests that would otherwise be boring just because of good writing, it's just not enough to me. A boring quest is boring no matter what the people are saying or the lore importance of the key item I'm carrying or whatever. Delivering shit or saving the world is the same to me if all I'm doing is holding forward between combat bits.
But if you're like me and what makes fetch quests boring to you is the mechanical part of them, then this isn't really comparable. Making deliveries isn't just the story context behind you walking from A to B, it's the entire gameplay loop, with complex mechanics and systems surrounding your actions, having to plan the best route and everything.
Damn, your post and Crossing Edens really highlight how much depth the gameplay loop could have even with just traversal.
So you're saying that you'd love killing people for money? I love combat in games, but I'm not sure I'd like a career change to be able to do that every day in real life.
Gameplay isn't just what appears on screen while you press buttons, it's how you interact with the game. Just like you have games with combat with good and bad gameplay, you can have fedex simulators with good and bad gameplay.
Also, if equipping exoskeletons to jump long distances and using my gamer girl bath water as a slowdown grenade were parts of working as a postman, you're damn right I'd consider a career change.
Kojima and team seem to be more focused on flexing the number of different systems they can fit in one game rather than making sure the systems are implemented well. The game can still be good if they are all decent enough and the story works, but so far nothing gameplay-wise looks particularly strong to me. Giving me MGSV vibes... Fun for a few hours.
As an example, that boss fight was just Sam chucking grenades at a monster barely concerned about harming him (or might've been that easy/cinematic difficulty). Im hoping others consist of more, but in the event they don't...oh man 😬 haha. Fingers crossed the story sticks the landing
As an example, that boss fight was just Sam chucking grenades at a monster barely concerned about harming him (or might've been that easy/cinematic difficulty). Im hoping others consist of more, but in the event they don't...oh man 😬 haha. Fingers crossed the story sticks the landing
Why is "if you think DS is cool you should be a UPS driver in real life" a legitimate criticism? I assumed the guy I was replying to was just joking.
TLOU is about Joel taking Ellie across the country. Guess that game is just one giant fetch quest too.
See how silly that comment is now?
Yeah, I agree, I was only mentioning that there are more reasons to play a game that just pure "fun", not taking any shots to TLOU gameplay. For me, the gameplay felt so, tense, I guess? so not fun in a traditional way, but I did enjoy my time with it.
You just described 60% of all stories, including Star Wars.
Of course there is going to be some algorithm going on behind the scenes so players don't end up finding thousands of ladders placed in generally the same area. I'm curious how it will work with the rating system. Assuming it's not procedurally-generated and finding a player-created structure is like one chance in a trillion ala no man's sky
Right, and it remains to be seen if they deliver on that, the game could obviously still be awful, who knows, but a lot of people are dismissing it without even properly understanding how it works. Too many people are equating story context with gameplay mechanics.
Oh, so MGSV is a stealth game? I've played Gravity Rush, stealth isn't fun. Pass.
And I dislike MGSV, but you know, it would be extremely misguided to judge a stealth game based on stealth missions in other games, so why are we doing it with this one and traversal?
At least compare it with Breath of the Wild's traversal or something like that, and not a random fetch quest in some other game.
Yeah, that was me, hence my avatar!
Benji (?) said from his tracking Death Stranding would be the biggest launch ever for a Kojima game. Maybe I should make another avatar bet? LOL