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Dear White People, Please don't do this...... Ever..... No, Seriously
- Thread starter DigitalOp
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Yeah this is why I don't truck with white moderates. I get the electoralist arguments for it, but I feel deep down there is a lack of respect for struggle.
Its a real shame the Sanders campaign could not turn out the votes it needed but I will never agree that Third Way moderation represents the future.
Its a real shame the Sanders campaign could not turn out the votes it needed but I will never agree that Third Way moderation represents the future.
Surrogate isn't an official paid position. I think I overstated the relationship. It's basically anyone with perceived influence who goes out and campaigns on behalf of the candidate. Other politicians, celebrities, or just people who go on TV to push the campaign (sometimes as employees of the actual news station).
You're doing that white person getting sensitive when a black person makes a general point instead of listening to what the black person is actually saying that black people hate thing.
They weren't pointing directly at you so why get offended on the behalf of all "good" white people?
Yup. We should wait for a more convenient season to talk about this. (aka, never).
It's such a well known quote from MLK, too. I don't know if that white woman works for some democrat campaign or what, but if she does the wise thing would be to fire her, because I can guarantee even dumber shit will come spilling out of her mouth in the (probably near) future.
the 'not every white guy!!!!' thing is so fucking stupid, peak fragility
What I'm saying is you should probably stop spouting off hot takes that aren't founded in factual evidence, and thankfully the electorate knows better.
just because you call it a hot take doesn't mean it isn't true.
go ahead, tell me Biden's main selling point
I'm not going to derail the thread so I will leave it at this: you saying Biden "telling uppity blacks what they can't do" is in brand for him is not only based on 0 factual evidence, it's damaging. Especially when he's most likely going to be the nominee. If you have facts or evidence to actually back up your claims, I'd love to see them. Until then..you should probably stop perpetuating your false narrative - especially since Biden is getting majority of the black vote.
because he was an angry black man while MLK was a nice peaceful black man who preached nonviolence
MLK made a speech and then civil rights happened and then you're not allowed to ask what happened afterwards
He opposed "busing ordered by the Department of Education" , in his own words.
He didn't think the federal government should be enforcing desegregation "with busing", in the 1970s
is that a false narrative that I'm perpetuating?
Black people are constantly given bad options to vote for and told to pick the least worst. Having Politicians point out how great their segregationist / anti abortion / anti poor/pro police buddies are reeks. That's not a swipe at Biden but our whole system that allows well to do politicians to think the guys on the other side are good people despite those positions.
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Honestly we shouldn't even bring up democrats or Biden or Bernie.
This is a white people failing category. We need to do better, and my advice to fellow whites would be simple.
Sit down.
Shut up.
Listen.
Shut up.
It worked wonders for me.
It's not just white dem, moderates/centrists, this is just a remixed 'low information voter' controversy from the progressive side. There's a 'We know what's better for you' that's pretty universal in the political spectrum in America and a leftover from Jim Crow and by extension slavery. It's why race issues != class issues. In the deep dark subconcious of America they cope with the unexcusable (and eternal soul damning if we want to talk that Christian/Puritan talk) horror of slavery is a failing not of the white Americans, but of Black Americans so they don't have to feel the guilt.
America's modern racist structures are built to keep capital in the hands of the few as a primary point (even to rip off poor white folks) and as a coping mechanism for their guilt
America's modern racist structures are built to keep capital in the hands of the few as a primary point (even to rip off poor white folks) and as a coping mechanism for their guilt
God, this kept getting worse and worse.
Fuck her. MLK would be turning in his grave being used this way.
Fuck her. MLK would be turning in his grave being used this way.
Well, as a black person, pardon me if I laugh out loud at that bullshit being thrown anywhere near my direction.
Youre not talking to a white person here so feel free to bypass that, "but why cant you just listen and understand how we feel" stage.
If a person says "white people shouldn't do x, y or z" then that is exactly what the fuck they are saying. If they want to convey something different, they should say something different.
Its IMPOSSIBLE for them to have been pointing at me, but I still think talking about any races in monolithic terms like it's alright to do is bad.
I wouldn't like it if anyone said that about black people, and I'm sure as fuck if I came in here ignorantly parading around, talking about how "black people should just xyz", I'd have a load of people including mods ready to shut me down.
The worst thing?
You're out here literally doing the thing accidentally racist people making ignorant statements do with your, "oh no, i didnt mean you", "well I wasnt talking about the good ones" line.
Basically every minority knows how that bullshit feels so WHY the hell would we be doing that shit and then even make excuses for it?
And the original point was rubbish aswell. Saying white people shouldn't use MLK is dumb.
I understand being annoyed at the BS that happens all the time and making blasé throwaway statements that reflect the frustration, but that doesn't mean theres no reason to do things differently or behave in a way that we would like others to behave towards us.
That's a pretty big connection, and I don't see what's wrong on Bernie asking for an apology based on that.
I'm actually astounded that someone managed to miss the point of that Dr. King quote by that much. Even if you ignored the entire thing except the last line that mentions a "quiet peace," then you should still have all the context you need to know that no, he didn't mean "white moderates should be loud and talk over black people."
This sounds like something she got from one of those meme images that get spammed by an army of Russian Twitter bots.
This sounds like something she got from one of those meme images that get spammed by an army of Russian Twitter bots.
It really did lol, when Cuomo decided to use a MLK Jr. quote at the end I couldn't believe it
As far as I can tell, Biden's main selling point is that he's not Trump and that you don't have to worry about white people voting for Trump over him in the election
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The fuck. How could anyone think that was okay? What were they even thinking? Why did Cuomo even enable that?
I think the larger point is that a white person isn't really inconvenienced in any way by a statement like that. Anyone who understands it will know that they can in fact say the word "MLK" and anyone who doesn't isn't going to have to worry about some large culture of rich influential black people potentially agreeing with said statement and barring them the right to speak about MLK. Like you said, it's a throwaway statement in the truest form, it doesn't negatively effect any white person in the same way it would if it was said the other way around because as evidently shown in this thread we DO have to worry about large groups of rich influential white people attempting to manipulate our ability to talk about MLK.
We're so fucked now.. the Dems have no solidarity anymore. We just want to eat ourselves before the general.
Who ever booked these guests shouldn't have... invoking Dr King and telling a black woman she's wrong is a horrible fucking look. She should be ashamed. Cable news was a mistake.
Who ever booked these guests shouldn't have... invoking Dr King and telling a black woman she's wrong is a horrible fucking look. She should be ashamed. Cable news was a mistake.
That woman is straight up racist. That was too infuriating to watch, and the 'apologies' did nothing to help.
It doesn't matter what race you are though. My statement still applies.
If the person made the statement because they've experience the misuse of MLK's legacy so much, that they feel that white people should just completely avoid invoking his name in discussions to minimize the chance of it happening, there is no need to show any concern for how the white audience is going to take the declaration.
We can the statements without literally meaning that every white person misuses MLK, that isn't the point in a literary sense.
The fact that Biden's campaign ignored this completely and how every forgot that this even happened shows how deeply rooted racism is in politics and how a high position of power will grant you certain privileges such as getting off scot free for something so incredibly blatantly racist such as this. I could tell Nina wanted to talk sense into her but couldn't because CNN wouldn't let her. What a shitshow.