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Dear Nintendo and Cygames, why do your dragons have boobs? (A Dragalia Lost thread)
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These are interesting interpretations that take several factors, both in-universe as well as outside of the game, into account, thanks. But they also partially feel like thermian arguments because the developers made a conscious effort to also include humanoid dragons. Basically, the game has all these elaborate backstories and lore about dragonpacts but also expects the player to accept some dragons that don't really look like dragons at all but are drawn from other parts of mythology. Maybe the Japanese have a different conception of what a dragon is...
You don't have to look at what you feel is implied. I explicitly spell out what my issue with this is: That the developers stretch the definition of what a dragon looks like for the express purpose of titillation which is also heavily lopsided towards female characters. If I wanted to make a thread about the questionable designs of the game in general, I could have found plenty of examples among the adventurers. But I didn't.
I'm tempted to post a panel from the comic book Saga. Yeah, I know nothing to do with the game but oh boy...is it something.
Dragons in the Dragalia Lost universe take on whatever forms they want, the most prominent example being Mym of course:
There is no hard rule on what a dragon is and I think that is perfectly fine for giving a good diversity of designs.
The one in the summoning banner right now is a very stereotypical dragon
There is no hard rule on what a dragon is and I think that is perfectly fine for giving a good diversity of designs.
The one in the summoning banner right now is a very stereotypical dragon
Furry races aren't that popular with the gacha/anime crowd, as Japanese people didn't grew up to the extent western audience did to shows with animal protagonists. Like the only tv anime I can think off with an animal protagonist is Silver Fang and Sherlock Hound.
2 words: Otaku Culture
More words: Japanese Otaku are often sexually repressed perverts(i.e. Virgin manchildren with creepy fetishes) with money to burn.
Since around the mid-2000s, from what I've seen, this pandering has skyrocketed in anime, games, manga and light novels.
Dragalia Lost, in terms of fanservice is G-rated casual fare compared to other gacha games. Fate/GO, Granblue Fantasy, Azur Lane, etc are the most egregious examples.
More words: Japanese Otaku are often sexually repressed perverts(i.e. Virgin manchildren with creepy fetishes) with money to burn.
Since around the mid-2000s, from what I've seen, this pandering has skyrocketed in anime, games, manga and light novels.
Dragalia Lost, in terms of fanservice is G-rated casual fare compared to other gacha games. Fate/GO, Granblue Fantasy, Azur Lane, etc are the most egregious examples.
I think the only consistent rule is they need to have horns and tails, and aside from that anything goes (and for Cereberus, I guess horns on Coco and Mimi along with having twintails counts).
Both Marishiten and Holloween Silke are really good (and wholesome) Dark Unit dragons.
what does them being a virgin have to do with any of that? I'm a virgin and im not into or go looking for crap like that, not really a fan of virgin shaming (I'm also super socially awkward because I have autism spectrum disorder=(
Yeah, obviously their designs are all conscious decisions. We pretty much all accept the premise is that they're fan servicey because that's what sells in the gacha space, so I think we can still discuss what they may have been going for thematically, given the constraints and expectations of the genre.
If we look at this sort of design as being a necessary evil for a gacha, I think it's interesting to compare, say, Siren and Cerberus. Both are unique takes on mythological creatures. Siren has become an idol, while Cerberus has two doggie mitts instead of three heads. Beyond those mitts though, I can't think of any reason why Cerberus has to be dressed as she is. Siren, on the other hand, lives near the sea, aspires to sing for people, and her events ultimately culminate in an actual concert. So her being dressed as an idol feels consistent thematically with both the summer events and the game as a whole, while still being the kind of design that usually gets people pulling.
Beyond this, I'd say DL definitely has a broad definition of what a dragon can be. You've got traditional dragons, people, birds, imps, bears (including a panda), etc. I think it's safe to say they mostly design whatever the heck they want and then slap a tail on it lol.
Do any men in any media ever have prominent bulges? It just doesnt happen
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Merriam-Webster's definition seems like a good starting point:
Although these vary from culture to culture, "scaly serpent or saurian" seems to fit most.
wait a second, you want a a gacha game that DOESN'T include 50,000 year old dragons that look like teenage girls in the pulls?????
All it seems to me is that you're making a thread so that people can join up with you and agree on the thing that you've already agreed on. I'm not sure what you are trying to get out of posting this, if you already know why they do this other then just to show us an example.
To be honest, I was expecting actual dragons with boobs. Those examples look like humans. Title is misleading.
I don't know how much you know about dragon pop culture (I'm an expert), but higher dragons in fiction often have the ability to take on human form.
Pretty much. Last I played, I think the general similarity was a tails and/or horns.For reference this is also a dragon:
Anything can be a dragon in dragalia. Even pandas.
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Of course, however, extending the fanservice to the dragons and mainly the female ones seems to be extra cynical. Especially when for example Garuda is based on a (seemingly?) male Hindu deity.
Them trying to put some more effort in rooting the newer dragons in the themes and lore of the universe, like they did with Siren and Freyja, is at least something.
"This gacha game went for shallow sex appeal in its character designs" shouldn't be surprising or really even noteworthy. I don't play them myself, but do people really even consider them to have any artistic merit to speak of? My impression is that most people think of them as cynical cash grabs or at best decent time wasters.
So a thing that is fictional creature and can be whatever people really please? Got it.
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damn heckin bamboozled
As others have mentioned, the game isn't as "bad" as others in its genre and there's plenty to enjoy outside of that. It's obviously not The Witcher 3 but it has entertaining stories from time to time.
After the tragic arson slaughter I wouldn't expect to see Kobayashi, Tohru, and Kanna any time soon. Especially with the extremely talented director Takemoto and dozens of artists now deceased.
Some gatcha games have incredible art, Dragalia Lost in particular has great and interesting looking characters of both genders and a wide variety of dragon forms that yes do include some that look like women (and men)
I'm sure if you looked through the character and dragon lists youd find designs you like, that's one of the appeals of gatcha games, large casts of likeable characters
You're not wrong, but I think that's a question you ask after you ask why they have humanoid dragons at all.
In other words: "Why do you have humanoid dragons?" followed by "Why did you feel the need to sexualize your humanoid dragons so much?".
In other words: "Why do you have humanoid dragons?" followed by "Why did you feel the need to sexualize your humanoid dragons so much?".
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Oh. Ohh.
I guess this is a good point. How did those characters change? Got any examples?
Bulges are pretty low priority. Its usually goes Butt, Chest,Shoulders,Arms, Abs, Calves etc.
It's probably the idea that their otherwise unfulfilled sexual urges attract them to games where they can look at and have a shallow relationship to sexual objects.
I also remember an article which implied that addictive behaviour is related to a lack of intimacy, while men also are conditioned to be intimate only at most with a SO.
Stop being obtuse, this is clearly a rant thread.
I mean... the main two audiences for this game ATM from my experience are straight male otaku and gay male furries. And pleasing the furries just involves releasing things like Shinobi, Vayu, and, perhaps more blatantly, Pazuzu. Chthonius and some others are also fairly popular among furries since we want, like, actual dragons for our men, man. :P They can then spend the rest of their efforts focusing on the bigger straight male otaku audience which involves, well...
Boobs.
Boobs.
I honestly came in to this thread with the assumption this was about why people draw breasts on a reptile.
The cross-characters are a CyGames thing. There's been a lot of characters that migrate in the CyVerse. Like Olivia in Shadowverse, Cerberus, Grea in Shadowverse, Rage of Bahamut etc. They usually cross over as summons. Granblue Fantasy seems to be like the dumping ground for everyone though.
The cross-characters are a CyGames thing. There's been a lot of characters that migrate in the CyVerse. Like Olivia in Shadowverse, Cerberus, Grea in Shadowverse, Rage of Bahamut etc. They usually cross over as summons. Granblue Fantasy seems to be like the dumping ground for everyone though.
Tiamat Summon
Tiamat Character
Yggdrasil Summon
Yggdrasil Character
That's two of like a dozen summons turned characters. For Dragalia Lost it would probably just be new art with their specific weapon and they would be sized down.