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Pein

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm currently a stay at home dad. I don't have a job or a college degree. I'm living comfortably right now. I want to stay for me as much as for the kids. I legitimately cannot imagine leaving this for a better situation.
you don't sound comfortable at all. You think she's gonna keep you around when the kids are grown and going to school and she'll take care of you as a live in nanny?

Women of the past have been forced to be home makers and house wives because they had no options, you Have options, you're not shackled there.
 

Absoludacrous

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm currently a stay at home dad. I don't have a job or a college degree. I'm living comfortably right now. I want to stay for me as much as for the kids. I legitimately cannot imagine leaving this for a better situation.

A lawyer can help though. It's not impossible to get out of this situation. And it's not going to last. You will get pushed out eventually, even if it takes a year or two. A lawyer can help you do it on your own terms.

I promise you this doesn't end well for you if you just try to ride it out forever.
 

Mitch

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Oct 25, 2017
1,226
What happens if:

Your ex wife decides to kick you out?

Your ex wife's new lover doesn't want you there anymore and starts to cause problems?

They want to move with the children and you aren't included???

Your kids are old enough to take care of themselves?
 

Grug

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm not sure staying in the house "for the kids" is good for either you or the kids.

You need to model self-respect and self-worth to them man. Leaving won't be without its challenges but staying sounds like a slow descent into abject humiliation. You can't ride this one out.
 

Dekim

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Oct 28, 2017
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Have some self-respect and move out, OP. Get a job and get yourself an apartment nearby if you're concerned about visiting your kids.
 

Tzarscream

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Oct 28, 2017
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This is already horrendous, don't make this more horrendous for yourself.

Go to therapy, please.
 

Deleted member 42055

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Man that is a helluva thing... you're a bigger man than me in allowing your ex partner to have their new partner around.
I'm sorry things did not work out in the best way for you, don't crucify yourself too hard for not " getting it right" the first time in the soulmate search.
I would for sure say at least your relationship granted you a wonderful opportunity: to make sure you raise those kids right . That kind of love is special and will last the rest of your life. Don't let your disappointment (is that the right word to use here?) with your love life keep you from showing them how much beauty comes from loving someone else. You get ONE chance to be a good parent , you don't want a fractured relationship with your children when you're older nor do you want to be full of regret that you should've done things " better" ( hi mom and dad"). There are many different types of love, if romantic love is absent in your present, fill your life with as many other kinds as you can. Good luck.

* Edit* read the follow up posts, you MUST take steps to ensure you won't just be forced out on a whim/ through your life being made very difficult. Your children need you , you need to make 100 certain there will be no issue in your having a positive impact in and on their lives
 

TheIlliterati

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Oct 28, 2017
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Uh as soon as the mom says you provide nothing monetarily, your ass is on the curb, and you're going to be a homeless dad. Start taking some online classes at least.
 
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theotherMittens
Jul 20, 2018
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If you've got the cash for it and are interested in close proximity for sake of the kids, I'd recommend you look for some sort of duplex arrangement, either by remodeling the existing home or by buying a new one in the area. I really don't think you should share a living space with someone you're not over yet while seeing them passionately in love with someone else.

I'll second the fact that, any regrets or resentments you have, the kids are going to pick up on. Seriously. You really need to consider your mental health in a major way if you want to be there for the kids. Being there for the kids IS being a steward of your own personal well-being.

Duplex is the plan once we can buy a new house, which we may be able to in the next year.
 

Mammoth Jones

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hence why polygamy isn't for everyone. You dun did the classic poly goof, OP. You gave her the go-ahead for that lifestyle and she got into it way faster than you anticipated.

This is how I know I'm old. I can't relate to this stuff. My wife will not bring the new lover into our house. Will not happen. That's what divorce is for, we just go out separate ways.

Facts. I mean, she can do as she pleases but I won't be around to tolerate that shit. I'd rather be alone than be disrespected on that level.

I think the trick is to be a happy whole person before you get married. I love my wife very much but I was happy before I met her and if she wants to go sit on some other dude's junk I'll be happy after her.
 
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theotherMittens
Jul 20, 2018
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Uh as soon as the mom says you provide nothing monetarily, your ass is on the curb, and you're going to be a homeless dad. Start taking some online classes at least.

I always have a place working for my mom, but it's a low-paying job with no benefits. Once the twins are in school I can do that while I look for something else.
 
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Echoing the sentiments of other posters that you will have to leave eventually and you should definitely be planning for the future now.

I can already see the scene in my head now. You'll probably be in the living room on the couch playing with the kids and next thing you know, you get hit with "hey theotherMittens, we think it's time you got your own place"

You're like "we? Who's we?" camera pans to your ex-wife's new partner.
 

Hazardous

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Oct 25, 2017
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I ask this for want of advice in my own life, but do you think it's possible for someone to feel the way OP's wife does and find a way to truly love OP? Is love a preordained thing that is either there or isn't? Can you go from "kind of sort of" to "madly in love"?
 

Starviper

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not a psychiatrist and I don't know how you've stayed married that long if you and your wife don't feel strongly for each other, so it sounds like you've got that going good for you. If you are interested in polyamory it can be a great thing for couples that are suited for it. In your case it sounds like it may end up being unfair or feeling that way if you're uninterested in other people and don't want to put in effort to meet others.

Honestly it sounds like you really need to strive for more in your life. Get some productive hobbies, get a job, meet some people. Probably see a therapist to start if you're feeling animosity, probably would help you figure out what direction to start moving in given the situation.


I ask this for want of advice in my own life, but do you think it's possible for someone to feel the way OP's wife does and find a way to truly love OP? Is love a preordained thing that is either there or isn't? Can you go from "kind of sort of" to "madly in love"?

Totally. I'd say a big part is both sides putting in actual effort to look good or bring something exciting to the table for your partner. It's hard to be madly in love with someone that doesn't do a lot.
 

TheIlliterati

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I always have a place working for my mom, but it's a low-paying job with no benefits. Once the twins are in school I can do that while I look for something else.
Please dude, I feel really bad for you because I am also getting divorced. The love also faded. But I have zero kids and thankfully my wife moved across the country, amicably. You are a third wheel in your life. They are evolving and improving themselves and you're a barnacle. You need to stand on your own and show some self respect.
 

Pein

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I always have a place working for my mom, but it's a low-paying job with no benefits. Once the twins are in school I can do that while I look for something else.
I mean this sounds awful, you keep living in agony waiting around for things to blow up in your face doing nothing I guess. Time to move is now, you're being played.
 

TokyoJoe

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Oct 28, 2017
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Take it from a guy who has seen this over the years. Get out and hire a lawyer and some family counseling so the separation is a healthier one. You don't want to live there, it will destroy you and the kids long-term and that's not what you want for the kids not yourself.
 

Neece

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TheIlliterati

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Past you: My wife loves me.
Present: Shit, how did I not see that in fact she does not love me.
Present you: I'm real comfortable, my wife sees the value in having a stable stay at home dad.
Future you: Shit, how did I not see that in fact they think two moms is even better?
 

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I ask this for want of advice in my own life, but do you think it's possible for someone to feel the way OP's wife does and find a way to truly love OP? Is love a preordained thing that is either there or isn't? Can you go from "kind of sort of" to "madly in love"?
Love can grow but cannot be forced. And both people need to put in the work/effort, it's not a one-sided thing.

Though if we're talking about someone who doesn't even want to hold hands or kiss like OP, then maybe not.
 
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theotherMittens
Jul 20, 2018
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Not a psychiatrist and I don't know how you've stayed married that long if you and your wife don't feel strongly for each other, so it sounds like you've got that going good for you. If you are interested in polyamory it can be a great thing for couples that are suited for it. In your case it sounds like it may end up being unfair or feeling that way if you're uninterested in other people and don't want to put in effort to meet others.

Honestly it sounds like you really need to strive for more in your life. Get some productive hobbies, get a job, meet some people. Probably see a therapist to start if you're feeling animosity, probably would help you figure out what direction to start moving in given the situation.




Totally. I'd say a big part is both sides putting in actual effort to look good or bring something exciting to the table for your partner. It's hard to be madly in love with someone that doesn't do a lot.

No animosity here. I was already planning on seeing a therapist so now we'll have even more to talk about at our first session. I've started drawing more and I'm getting into playing guitar again, actually jamming with my wife's girlfriend
 

astro

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Oct 25, 2017
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These situations can and do work out, but for that to truly happen ALL parties need to be honestly okay with it.

Why did you make this thread, OP? If you felt the above don't you think it wouldn't have been necessary?
 

Neece

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Oct 27, 2017
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Not feeling romantic feelings towards you is one thing, but I have a hard time believing that your ex wife even respects you at the moment. I guess its possible, but I think the likelihood is higher that both of the women don't respect you, and are just being nice for the time being about you staying with them.

I urge you to get a lawyer and try your best to become self reliant. They might not have done it yet, but there is a very strong possibility that they are going to ask you to leave at some point, perhaps when the youngest children are school age. It's time to start looking out for yourself to protect yourself from being blindsided in the case that this happens.
 

Lunar Wolf

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Nov 6, 2017
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It honestly sounds like you're being well-taken care of. I wouldn't move out as long as it doesn't hurt you to see them together.

In your shoes, I'd get a job and save money just in case they ever do kick you out though.

Also start thinking about dating wealthier women.
 

TheFurizzlyBear

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Oct 25, 2017
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OP, man, you are a better person than I. A little while after my first serious relationship ended, my ex started dating my boss and that (along with some other details) made me want to leave town (which I did). I could not imagine living with them immediately afterwards. This may be something you think you can handle but it might wear you down and then it could be harder to change course. As a kid with divorced parents, what mattered was that they both loved me and that the negative energy was gone. You may be cool, she may be cool but if the new lady ain't then it wont be cool.
 

Chasex

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Oct 29, 2017
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Ugh this hurt to read, man... Internet psychoanalysis but sounds like you don't have much self-confidence and are letting this women trample all over you. I'm going to guess this is tough for her too. She has a history with you and surely doesn't want to kick you to the curb, but same time can't help the way she feels. Good chance it would be better and healthier for both of you to split amicably.
 

anamika

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May 18, 2018
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My wife is the ONLY one who can cook lol. Girlfriend is going to take over dishes for me so I don't know how anyone can say this isn't a win

Are you working? Like, do you have a job? Or are you at home taking care of the kids?

Edit: Just saw that you are a stay at home dad.

In which case, you do what you think is best. If you like this arrangement, so be it.

But ultimately, at the end of it all, all this may not be so good for your self worth and self love.
 

Hazardous

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Oct 25, 2017
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Love can grow but cannot be forced. And both people need to put in the work/effort, it's not a one-sided thing.

Though if we're talking about someone who doesn't even want to hold hands or kiss like OP, then maybe not.
If someone was in a position like your second sentence, they couldn't find a path back towards regaining the will to do those things again? Is there a point of no return or can you fight to get back to what was once there?
 

TheGhost

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Oct 25, 2017
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My wife is the ONLY one who can cook lol. Girlfriend is going to take over dishes for me so I don't know how anyone can say this isn't a win
Dude she is taking your responsibilities around the house....I don't think you're grasping on how many levels you're being replaced. Tomorrow....lawyer....please
You maybe in a comfortable state now but that shit is going to flip on its head real quick.
 
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theotherMittens
Jul 20, 2018
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Dude she is taking your responsibilities around the house....I don't think you're grasping on how many levels you're being replaced. Tomorrow....lawyer....please
You maybe in a comfortable state now but that shit is going to flip on its head real quick.

I wouldn't expect somebody to move in without taking on some household responsibilities?
 
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