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deadmau5 banned from twitch for using homophobic slur on a twitch livestream against a "stream sniper"
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Yeah there's plenty of people who have slurs ingrained in their vocabulary for one reason or another, or simply using the word "gay" or "homo" to describe something negative (or positive actually, it has happened in my language). And those slurs/words can be used even very casually, not just in anger. But people should then work towards dropping those words from their vocabulary, I really think we are way past the excuse of "I didn't know/realize" or "it wasn't ment to offend gay community". If Deadmaus or anyone else wants to defend themselves by saying that they didn't mean it in "homophobic way", be my guest. But don't get angry when called out on it, the fuck up is on you and you should admit to it. Like Jonah Hill who used it towards a paparazzi who was harassing and insulting him. He apologized, he wanted especially young people to take him as an example of what not to do when they get angry. Because words have weight and meaning. He didn't rant about people taking it in the wrong way and blowing it out of proportion.
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To me, as a bi guy when I see someone drop slurs and not apologize for them they're basically waving red flags in front of their face saying they're homophobic.
Sure it's the same for racial/ethnic minorities as well.
Dunno if this was a temp ban or not. If deadmau5 had apologized and shown some understanding of why people don't like that word, I think a short temp ban would've been fine.
Doubling down tells me he's not going to ever figure it out. So does the summary of past behavior from that EDM article.
I mean, sure, I get it. Things that used to be widespread generic insults are no longer so because now we have empathy for the groups that were the original targets for derision. Sometimes your memory goes back to it. We all make mistakes.
But you have to actually acknowledge and fix the mistake if you want credit for not being a horrible human being. You know what else people do when they're angry? They break shit. They yell at people. Ask me, I've done it plenty of times before. Me being angry or generally a good person otherwise doesn't excuse the bad shit I've done.
Doubling down tells me he's not going to ever figure it out. So does the summary of past behavior from that EDM article.
I mean, sure, I get it. Things that used to be widespread generic insults are no longer so because now we have empathy for the groups that were the original targets for derision. Sometimes your memory goes back to it. We all make mistakes.
But you have to actually acknowledge and fix the mistake if you want credit for not being a horrible human being. You know what else people do when they're angry? They break shit. They yell at people. Ask me, I've done it plenty of times before. Me being angry or generally a good person otherwise doesn't excuse the bad shit I've done.
He did the soundtrack for the Netflix movie Polar, which just came out a month ago.
If I was dropping N and F bombs every time I got angry, then I would agree with you. I would consider myself a racist and a homophobic. If I said it 5 times over the last 10 years, I would consider that a fuckup where my brain was looking for something hateful and found this word in the dark corner of my brain and it just flowed out without a heads up.
As for Deadmau5. He streams a lot...A LOT. I don't know if he still does it but he would stream every day for hours while he was making music. Does he have a history of saying homophobic slurs like this? I have no idea.
English is not my first language but isn't bitch just as bad and derogatory? (Genuinely asking)
Yeah. While he hasn't put out a full length album since 2016, he released an album featuring orchestrated versions of his tracks, and has mostly been releasing the mau5ville EPs which feature some popular singles like Drama Free and Monophobia (which was hyped up because it was another Rob Swire collaboration like Ghosts n Stuff). He also made the score for Polar, which was shit, but I guess the music was okay.
It frustrates the fuck out of me that Joel is such a shithead because he puts out a lot of quality productions, but I don't wanna support him. His lackadaisical attitude to his work makes it all the easier to pretend that he just sees music as a means to an end.
I mean current day music is a bit disingenuous, hes been around since 1998/2000 ish
Aside from making music for the universally trashed "Polar" he mainly streams himself playing PUBG, making virtual cubes, and chainsmoking all day long. I'm not surprised by his "heated gaming moment" reaction or apology. He's always been known to be a complete douchenozzle and no amount of people telling me he has social anxiety excuses such behavior.
Im not the one calling him b*tch. Pocahontas is calling him bitch. Big difference.
The "heated gaming moment" excuse is hilariously stupid. Why the fuck are those words that readily in the chamber when you get angry? You can curse all you want, but slurs are completely unacceptable.
I didn't even know that
I haven't listened to any new music or radio since CDs
So you have zero idea on the context of this, but you're also claiming that people are overreacting to it?
Rod Breslau chimed in by stating that calling someone a "fucking cock-sucking stream sniper f*g" should not be ban-worthy given the "context and intent", and that Twitch has become a "battleground" for what can or cannot be said.
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Yeah, no, if you can't behave properly when streaming, don't stream.
That's it, that's all.
I'm not sure if he does under Deadmau5 but he has side projects. One is called Test Pilot I believe. He is still super talented. Just needs to watch what he says lol.
Honestly I think this would be much less of an issue if his apology was better. Everyone blurts shit out. I know I'm guilty of it. I grew up hurling those insults at my friends, people I didn't like, and people online. Sometimes in the moment you just forget and revert back.
Just say that is not who you are, deeply sorry, etc. Not this "WELL ACTUALLY FUCK YOU GUYS" response
Can we not do this "everyone blurts our slurs when they're angry" thing?
Because that's not true at all.
The ting is, that kinda language was more acceptable back then as well, wrong but it wouldn't be condemned rightfully as it is now, that shows you the kinda man Ryan Davis was.
Well, in this context it is also wrong, since the implication is that sucking a penis is wrong and makes a person wrong or ('less') for doing it.
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Rod Breslau chimed in by stating that calling someone a "fucking cock-sucking stream sniper f*g" should not be ban-worthy given the "context and intent", and that Twitch has become a "battleground" for what can or cannot be said.
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Exactly this, it is words that were at one point acceptable and at 38, he would've used them with friends etc, not using words and changing habits is tough but doable
That apology is fucking awful though
User Banned (1 week): Excusing homophobic slurs
ok
#notallpeople
I've made his same mistake before but I was never caught doing it. Does that make me an awful person that deserves to be publicly shunned and chastised?
It was certainly more common, sadly. The gulf in maturity between Ryan Davis in 2012 and all of these Twitch streamers is staggering.
I will say, I'm very impressed with Trihex's apology someone posted earlier in this thread. Seems like he's got a good head on his shoulders, too.
This insincere shit right here, this common as fuck rehearsed line of apology is why I don't really give a shit if someone apologizes or not anymore. They have shown me who they are. Don't say it's not who you are, the words came out of your damn mouth. Show through actions and time that you really sincerely want to change. And if you are influencer, streamer, whatever try to put some effort into positively influencing your own community and and don't stand for that shit in your own chats and speak out against it.
See how long that lasts...
Dude, if you say a slur out in public, then yes you deserve to chastised.
How the hell do you get to a point where you think otherwise?
Why would that word come out of you in the first place if you weren't a homophobe, though? It's not a "situation" you find yourself in, it's something you said yourself and solely from you.
I am supposed to be working with him on a project in relation to esports. But he's been hella quite about it with his team for a while about it. Makes me wonder if he's planning to do stuff with it still.
Using "f**" hasn't been "acceptable" since at least like the 90s.
Let's not do the thing where we pretend nobody gave a shit about slurs until 2015.
Whenever I see someone defending this or whataboutisming, all I see is "But I like calling people n*gger/f*ggot and I want to keep doing it".
