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Lotus

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
105,654
Maybe I missed it but why is Vigilante not wearing his mask currently?

Since Peacemaker and everyone else knows what he looks like, he's started to stop putting any effort into hiding his face.

Idk, it's probably just mainly following meta logic at this point that it's easier for the actor to emote and what not when you can see his face
 

KDC720

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,321
At first I was wondering why the butterflied detective was acting so blatant in front of everyone, then like 10 minutes later I got my answer. Next episode seems like it's going to be an absolute bloodbath.

I will say that while the show has been a fun watch week to week, it's still not really my favorite thing Gunn's done. A lot of the humor is clumsy or just doesn't land for me.
 

GrubChub

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
1,106
Just got caught up and I love this show. But...
Does anybody else think Rick Flag might still be alive? The way Peacemaker put out the theory about people hit in the heart being able to use their kidney or whatever had me thinking he might not be dead.

Hope so!
 

PhoncipleBone

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,336
Kentucky, USA
Just got caught up and I love this show. But...
Does anybody else think Rick Flag might still be alive? The way Peacemaker put out the theory about people hit in the heart being able to use their kidney or whatever had me thinking he might not be dead.

Hope so!
He was still underground if the building that fell. And Starro breaking out probably wrecked it even more. Peacemaker was on the surface when it collapsed and was hurt less
 

Trike

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Nov 6, 2017
2,392
What happened to Kung Fu Master? I feel like I missed a scene after he was
shot

This is what I'm wondering.
Judo Master was seemingly not a butterfly but mentioned that there was more to the butterflies than Peacemaker knows. I think that combined with the peace sign might mean that Murn might be the secret villain. Though it's possible Judo Master is a butterfly and that + the peace sign was them trying to trick Peacemaker.
 

rjinaz

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
28,391
Phoenix
Just got caught up and I love this show. But...
Does anybody else think Rick Flag might still be alive? The way Peacemaker put out the theory about people hit in the heart being able to use their kidney or whatever had me thinking he might not be dead.

Hope so!
I think this was him being in denial about what he did. "Maybe I didnt kill him?" It was like bargaining in real time but I dont think he actually believed that garbage.
 

Dark_Castle

Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,147
At first I was wondering why the butterflied detective was acting so blatant in front of everyone, then like 10 minutes later I got my answer. Next episode seems like it's going to be an absolute bloodbath.

I will say that while the show has been a fun watch week to week, it's still not really my favorite thing Gunn's done. A lot of the humor is clumsy or just doesn't land for me.
I think this latest episode is less funny than the ones before, probably because the story became more serious now.
 

Adder7806

Member
Dec 16, 2018
4,122
This is what I'm wondering.
Judo Master was seemingly not a butterfly but mentioned that there was more to the butterflies than Peacemaker knows. I think that combined with the peace sign might mean that Murn might be the secret villain. Though it's possible Judo Master is a butterfly and that + the peace sign was them trying to trick Peacemaker.
Oops. Judo Master. Yeah, I really hope they resolve that plot point and bring him back. He is one of my favorite characters.
 

rjinaz

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
28,391
Phoenix
I dont think the Murn butterfly is the villain species. So far anyway he has shown some regard for human life. The others have not. They seemed determined to take life and blend in as much as possible for an invasion.

Peace can mean anything. It reminds me of that episode of rick and morty or heck even Angel where the idea of peace existed at the cost of free will of everybody. In both situations peace was achieved through control of others.

I guess we will see but we just witnessed a blood bath by the butterflies, dont think they are all that good.
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
115,528
I dont think the Murn butterfly is the villain species. So far anyway he has shown some regard for life. The others have not. They seemed determined to take life and blend in as much as possible for an invasion.

Peace can mean anything. It reminds me of that episode of rick and morty or heck even Angel where the idea of peace existed at the cost of free will of everybody. In both situations peace was achieved through control of others.

I guess we will see but we just witnessed a blood bath by the butterflies, dont think they are all that good.

Yeah, considering how many people Goff just killed in one fell swoop I don't think they're really the heroes.
 

Kaswa101

Member
Oct 28, 2017
17,742
Yeah ain't no way Goff is a hero lol. The peace sign was probably just an attempt to get let out.
 

caliph95

Member
Oct 25, 2017
35,160
I dont think the Murn butterfly is the villain species. So far anyway he has shown some regard for human life. The others have not. They seemed determined to take life and blend in as much as possible for an invasion.

Peace can mean anything. It reminds me of that episode of rick and morty or heck even Angel where the idea of peace existed at the cost of free will of everybody. In both situations peace was achieved through control of others.

I guess we will see but we just witnessed a blood bath by the butterflies, dont think they are all that good.

Yeah, considering how many people Goff just killed in one fell swoop I don't think they're really the heroes.

Yeah ain't no way Goff is a hero lol. The peace sign was probably just an attempt to get let out.
Yeah
Murn specifically has gone out of his way to not kill humans and orders the team not to hell he gets mad at them when they do fucked up shit

Goff basically just murdered an entire station worth of people and doesn't seem to care and casually tortures

Judomaster does seem to imply they're not totally evil but they're not the good guys either
 

Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
44,124
Yeah ain't no way Goff is a hero lol. The peace sign was probably just an attempt to get let out.
I would wager it's a thematic nod to the title character; both Peacemaker and Goff imagined themselves as harbingers of peace but are really mass murderers. So Goff might be trending in the opposite direction of Chris.
 

kmfdmpig

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
19,350
I dont think the Murn butterfly is the villain species. So far anyway he has shown some regard for human life. The others have not. They seemed determined to take life and blend in as much as possible for an invasion.

Peace can mean anything. It reminds me of that episode of rick and morty or heck even Angel where the idea of peace existed at the cost of free will of everybody. In both situations peace was achieved through control of others.

I guess we will see but we just witnessed a blood bath by the butterflies, dont think they are all that good.
Yup, it seems like Goff subscribes to the "We want peace, no matter how many men, women or children we have to kill to get it" approach based on what we just saw. Murn seems much more restrained.
 

TiamatSword

Chicken Chaser
Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,514
They showed how brutal the butterfly taking over a person is and had Murn express regret even though he found the worst person he could to take over. It would be pretty weird if they said actually the butterflies are good. Goff probably made the peace sign because she spent enough time around Peacemaker to realize he's an idiot.
 

metsallica

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,691
They showed how brutal the butterfly taking over a person is and had Murn express regret even though he found the worst person he could to take over. It would be pretty weird if they said actually the butterflies are good. Goff probably made the peace sign because she spent enough time around Peacemaker to realize he's an idiot.
Precisely. She was trying to get out; that's it.
 

The Namekian

Member
Nov 5, 2017
4,876
New York City
This is what I'm wondering.
Judo Master was seemingly not a butterfly but mentioned that there was more to the butterflies than Peacemaker knows. I think that combined with the peace sign might mean that Murn might be the secret villain. Though it's possible Judo Master is a butterfly and that + the peace sign was them trying to trick Peacemaker.
Sorry after the police station I am pretty sure they are evil
 

9-Volt

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,868
I really hope this butterfly/alien invasion plot spreads over other DC shows and even DCEU movies. I'd love if this gets a mention in Shazam or Aquaman 2. Or even as a central plot of an unannounced movie. Mister Miracle perhaps?

And I don't want a second season of this, I want Gunn to try other obscure DC superheroes. On top of my mind:
- Peter Cannon/Thunderbolt
- Mighty Crusaders (The Shield, The Web, Jaguar, Hangman, Black Hood etc)
- Spy Smasher
- Bulletman and Bulletwoman
- Deadman
- And of course, Ben Schwartz as Plastic Man. Though I rather have this as a feature film.
 

TheGamingNewsGuy

One Winged Slayer
Member
Nov 5, 2017
31,454
I really hope this butterfly/alien invasion plot spreads over other DC shows and even DCEU movies. I'd love if this gets a mention in Shazam or Aquaman 2. Or even as a central plot of an unannounced movie. Mister Miracle perhaps?

And I don't want a second season of this, I want Gunn to try other obscure DC superheroes. On top of my mind:
- Peter Cannon/Thunderbolt
- Mighty Crusaders (The Shield, The Web, Jaguar, Hangman, Black Hood etc)
- Spy Smasher
- Bulletman and Bulletwoman
- Deadman
- And of course, Ben Schwartz as Plastic Man. Though I rather have this as a feature film.
Two Words...Ted Kord. Would be perfect for Gunn.
 

9-Volt

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,868
Two Words...Ted Kord. Would be perfect for Gunn.
You can't have Ted Kord alone... All of his friends also need to be there for his full humor potential. Justice League International! You'll have Blue Beetle/Booster Gold bromance, Batman punching Guy Gardner, Flash getting rejected by Fire, incredible chemistry between Mr. Miracle and Barda... Perfect Gunn material but also needs a bigger budget.
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
115,528
Yeah I don't think Murn is the bad guy. He looked visibly shaken when Peacemaker told him about Locke's murders.

Yeah. I was kind of disappointed how little Murn we got this week, because Chuk is doing SUCH a good job with him. Hopefully we get some good Murn scenes in the last two episodes.
 

rjinaz

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
28,391
Phoenix
Sorry after the police station I am pretty sure they are evil
Yep Peacemaker had literally just scolded Vigilante for almost killing cops. I feel like that was very pointed. Whatever these aliens are doing is not a good thing. If violently killing humans for their bodies wasnt an indicator I am not sure what else would be.
 

caliph95

Member
Oct 25, 2017
35,160
Yep Peacemaker had literally just scolded Vigilante for almost killing cops. I feel like that was very pointed. Whatever these aliens are doing is not a good thing. If violently killing humans for their bodies wasnt an indicator I am not sure what else would be.
Eagly on the other hand is ACAB to the extreme
 

Hero Prinny

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,188
God damn, eagly is hardcore. It's funny cause i thought that to myself while cracking up before Vigilante ended up saying it 🤣 shame about the detectives, hope they can be saved
 

Shemhazai

Member
Aug 13, 2020
6,457
Yup, it seems like Goff subscribes to the "We want peace, no matter how many men, women or children we have to kill to get it" approach based on what we just saw. Murn seems much more restrained.
I'm betting that this is exactly the case. They've decided humans are too violent and are destroying the planet, so they're going to "fix" things.
 

ReginaldXIV

Member
Nov 4, 2017
7,784
Minnesota
I do hope Sophie and Fitz can be saved, they don't deserve that. I do like the stupid smile gag though.

I laughed way too hard during the butterfly vagina conversation and when PM and Vigilante were zig zagging through the forest while Eagly is taking down everyone.
 

Deleted member 36578

Dec 21, 2017
26,561
The montage and imagery of the butterfly take over was incredible. What a show haha
 

deimosmasque

Ugly, Queer, Gender-Fluid, Drive-In Mutant, yes?
Moderator
Apr 22, 2018
14,167
Tampa, Fl
Was anybody else surprised by how violent the butterfly takeover of a human is?
As someone who basically lives and breathes movies most of the time.

Yeah that was one of the more violent possessions I've ever seen.

But it does make sense they have to drill through the head to get to the brain.
 

kmfdmpig

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
19,350
It seems to me that butterflies basically hollow out a big space where the brain was. I don't see coming back from that outside of peaceful coexistence.