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Slayven

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Both initiatives were created to inject new blood into the line. Which was better?
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Remember 1993 gave us the GOAT
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Freezasaurus

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To be fair, I didn't read comics in 93. But New Age of Heroes was mostly not-great, save for Terrifics, Sideways, and Silencer.
 

Mandos

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Isn't Metamorpho the only one of those characters still really active? Or rather he's the only one I know that's still around(he's a pretty fun character though).

Also Slayven id love to see you breaking down all the references over in the marvel ultimate alliance 3 thread from the trailer, there's a few fun teases
 
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Slayven

Slayven

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To be fair, I didn't read comics in 93. But New Age of Heroes was mostly not-great, save for Terrifics, Sideways, and Silencer.
Terrfics was bad to me, everyone was kinda of out of character. Sideways was great except for the art. Haven't read Silencer
 

mrmoose

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Shouldn't you be comparing Marvel's 1993 annuals to DC's 1993 annuals (Bloodlines)?

https://www.cbr.com/knowledge-waits-all-of-marvels-characters-from-their-1993-annuals/

https://www.cbr.com/knowledge-waits-all-of-dcs-original-bloodlines-characters/

The only Bloodlines character anyone remembers is Hitman. The only Marvel 1993 ones I remember are Legacy (Genis/Captain Marvel) and X-cutioner, partly because he dented Colossus's head and partly because the annual was drawn by Jason Pearson. Oh and I guess Adam X. Ah, the era of Fabian.
 

Sgt. Demblant

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Mentioning Peter David's version of Genis is both deceptive and evil. Best early 00s Marvel run :'(
Who knows how good Sideways will turn out to be in a decade. But it's a decent start. The Terrifics and that Ghost Rider guy are alright too.

No idea what most of the 90s Marvel annuals were about though.
 

Drayco21

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Sideways was one of my favorite cape books in a long time, and Rocafort is one of the all time GOATs.
 

CoolestSpot

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Slayven will rep 1993 purely based off fact the creator said he wanted to make a bunch of characters who are the opposite of squirrel girl
 
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Slayven

Slayven

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He is! Look at this:
Wish Sideways was like that, it looked like it needed V-Sync and AA
What is with people shitting on Rocafort lately? He's amazing.
Better than Quietly at least
Shouldn't you be comparing Marvel's 1993 annuals to DC's 1993 annuals (Bloodlines)?

https://www.cbr.com/knowledge-waits-all-of-marvels-characters-from-their-1993-annuals/

https://www.cbr.com/knowledge-waits-all-of-dcs-original-bloodlines-characters/

The only Bloodlines character anyone remembers is Hitman.
Bloodlines was greatness
Isn't Metamorpho the only one of those characters still really active? Or rather he's the only one I know that's still around(he's a pretty fun character though).

Also Slayven id love to see you breaking down all the references over in the marvel ultimate alliance 3 thread from the trailer, there's a few fun teases
I will ahve to watch it again
 

CoolestSpot

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I'm going to be honest, I prefer DC's approach. Purely cause giving whole books instead of one issue is better, and has a variety of reinterpreting the old along with completely new, and the idea of "oh this time our writers have a new character!" is weak considering...that can be any issue.

Can't really compare yet since both events are hoping to launch longstanding characters for decades into the future, and DC's New Age just happened.

Note I haven't read all the books in either of these attempts, but y'know, Young Animal is better then both of them if we're being honest.
 

CoolestSpot

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Mentioning Peter David's version of Genis is both deceptive and evil. Best early 00s Marvel run :'(
Who knows how good Sideways will turn out to be in a decade. But it's a decent start. The Terrifics and that Ghost Rider guy are alright too.

No idea what most of the 90s Marvel annuals were about though.
I'm personally trying to remind myself since I only have around 5 of these issues that I read as a kid
https://www.cbr.com/knowledge-waits-all-of-marvels-characters-from-their-1993-annuals/3/
 

Penguin

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I will say that The Silencer made the jump to Arrow this season and she's been fun to watch on that so kudos for giving us a new character that is at least fun in other mediums.

I honestly don't know how the Damage book is still going.
 

Vordan

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I like Terrifics, Sideways, and Silencer whereas I can't remember any of the Marvel characters, so I guess DC wins?
 

ZattMurdock

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Reminder that PAD's Genis book was part of a bet between which would sell better, it or Jemas' Marville
But that's not from when the book was created. The bet with Jemas happened in 2002:

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Marville was created as part of Marvel's U-Decide promotional campaign, in which fans would decide which of three books would survive. The event involved one existing book (Peter David's Captain Marvel, whose numbering was restarted at issue #1) and two new books (Marville and Ron Zimmerman's Ultimate Adventures), and was based around a bet between David and Jemas, of which Marvel editor-in-chief Joe Quesada later became a part. Jemas changed the stakes of the bet a few issues into Marville, stating that the loser would take a pie in the face for charity. Despite this, both Marville and Ultimate Adventures ended fairly quickly, while the rebooted Captain Marvel would last 25 more issues, for a total of 60 issues when combined with the first run.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marville_(comics)
 

mrmoose

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Reminder that PAD's Genis book was part of a bet between which would sell better, it or Jemas' Marville

I had completely forgotten about that. The character was created like a decade before and already had his own series (and was prominent in Busiek's Avengers Forever along with Songbird as future Avengers), but it was cancelled and renumbered so PAD could start it fresh.

For those that want to be reminded the trash that Jemas dug up, here's the summary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marville_(comics)

The main character is Kal-AOL Turner, the son of Ted Turner and Jane Fonda from 5002. Kal-AOL is sent back in time via a time machine made out of video game systems. Despite having no superpowers, he tries to be a superhero. After some adventures as a Superhero, he and his friends decide to use their time machine to travel back to the origin of time and talk to God. Jack (who is never definitively stated to be God) takes Al and his friend through the times of the dinosaurs and neanderthals, explaining the origins of life and bestowing the secret of world peace to Al in the process. Al tries to have his story published as a series of comic books to share the secret of world peace, but is rejected because his story is not about superheroes or action.
The title is a reference to the TV series Smallville; the cover of issue #1 features the main character tied up as a scarecrow with a red 'M' painted on his chest, much as Tom Welling is in the first episode of Smallville and in related publicity material.

It's entirely possible that someone hacked this page and this is all false (how would I know, I never read Marville) but sadly I don't think that's the case.

Jemas was also responsible for this gem of a Spidey title:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trouble_(comics)

Oh man, the (bad) memories are flooding back. All the money I wasted on this trash.
 

CoolestSpot

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I had completely forgotten about that. The character was created like a decade before and already had his own series (and was prominent in Busiek's Avengers Forever along with Songbird as future Avengers), but it was cancelled and renumbered so PAD could start it fresh.

For those that want to be reminded the trash that Jemas dug up, here's the summary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marville_(comics)



It's entirely possible that someone hacked this page and this is all false (how would I know, I never read Marville) but sadly I don't think that's the case.

Jemas was also responsible for this gem of a Spidey title:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trouble_(comics)

Oh man, the (bad) memories are flooding back. All the money I wasted on this trash.
MarVille ends up talking to god by end of series and it's panels with text all over the page with no bubbles or boxes
 
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Slayven

Slayven

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I didn't start the day wanting to remember Marville or Ultimate Adventures
 

Wanderer5

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Have no idea about the 1993 stuff, but wish New Age of Heroes turned out better than it did. I been enjoying Sideways, and am so sad that the series is ending in Feb. :/ I hope Derek will come back again.
 

Vic_Viper

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All the 1993 Marvel Annual issues I've read have all been great. The New Age of Heroes stuff by DC had a lot of potential but after all the delays I feel like they lost all of their momentum.
 

Sgt. Demblant

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Slayven , next you should make a thread about how Cosmic Powers enhanced and / or destroyed our childhoods.
Pluses: it had Genis and Thanos.
Minuses: it had everyone else, including Tyrant.
I'm personally trying to remind myself since I only have around 5 of these issues that I read as a kid
https://www.cbr.com/knowledge-waits-all-of-marvels-characters-from-their-1993-annuals/3/
Thanks for the link. Yeah, I don't know most of these, I think the Marvel publisher in my country used to skip the annuals back then, with a few exceptions here and there.
 
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Slayven

Slayven

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Oct 25, 2017
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All the 1993 Marvel Annual issues I've read have all been great. The New Age of Heroes stuff by DC had a lot of potential but after all the delays I feel like they lost all of their momentum.
Do you have the Namor one? Where he scares Apocalypse off with a coffee table?