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DCEU Era |OT2| Joker's Wild
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He was a dick in BTAS and a bigger dick in the continuation, JL animated series.
There's a scene from the New 52 Batman and Robin* series where Batman takes Robin into (I believe) the sewers under Crime Alley on the anniversary of his parents' death. They make a little memorial sail boat and send it adrift. Bruce turns to Damian and says that from now on, instead of using this day to mourn his parents' death, he wants to start celebrating their life.
Bruce deciding to move on from his parents tragedy so that he can be a better hero and a better father is the kind of thing I want more of in my Batman stories. That modern stories are so in love with the idea that Bruce is this permanently scarred figure who can never move past his pain or find a reason to be Batman beyond vengence is what makes the character so exhausting. Bruce Wayne shouldn't just be a "mask," and the angry, violent, vengeful Batman shouldn't be anyone's "true face."
*Also, not for nothing, but New 52 Batman and Robin was great.
Bruce deciding to move on from his parents tragedy so that he can be a better hero and a better father is the kind of thing I want more of in my Batman stories. That modern stories are so in love with the idea that Bruce is this permanently scarred figure who can never move past his pain or find a reason to be Batman beyond vengence is what makes the character so exhausting. Bruce Wayne shouldn't just be a "mask," and the angry, violent, vengeful Batman shouldn't be anyone's "true face."
*Also, not for nothing, but New 52 Batman and Robin was great.
Nah man, I think there is a different in being a dick. Recent iterations of the character in movies and games are just insufferable.
Also, WB doesn't like Superman.
How do we get this nuanced take in film though? Comics have had the ability to grow over a LONG period of time, the character has grown. Wouldn't we first need to set up a Batman, then go through his typical dark broodyness, and then have him come to this reaslization?
THAT'S A LOW BLOW
I think it's more than possible in a movie. Hell, that's Bruce's character arc in Lego Batman: learning to move past the pain of losing his parents and accept Dick, Barbara, and Alfred (and even the Joker) into his heart and as part of his mission as family.
The movie even takes him to task for acting like a brooding asshole. When he gets trapped in the Phantom Zone, the entity there flat out says he's a bad guy. The Justice League, who thinks are his friends, don't even want to hang out with him. Alfred is constantly his ass about being too caught up in himself and not connecting with others. The entire movie makes the case that Batman is at his best when he's more than just an angry loner vigilante.
I think for me personally I really liked Bales potrayal of Bruce Wayne. Easily the best in love action. His Batman, if it had better looks, he sounded better and had a better suit he'd be my fave.
I loathe every other live action Batman and Bruce Wayne
edit: Lego Batman is better than Keaton and Affleck combined.
I loathe every other live action Batman and Bruce Wayne
edit: Lego Batman is better than Keaton and Affleck combined.
Ugh, I didn't like Lego Batman. Bale's Batman had the best arc. I liked seeing him hang up the cape at the end.
But Affleck's Batman was a force. I wish Snyder had gotten a chance to bring his vision full circle. The idea of a Batman so far gone that his fears and doubts consume him is too interesting to just be one movie. You kinda see what Snyder had in mind for him during BvS and his arc there is extremely powerful. Lord knows what else Snyder had in mind. A full on redemption was coming and then WB and Whedon fucked it up. Goddammit.
But Affleck's Batman was a force. I wish Snyder had gotten a chance to bring his vision full circle. The idea of a Batman so far gone that his fears and doubts consume him is too interesting to just be one movie. You kinda see what Snyder had in mind for him during BvS and his arc there is extremely powerful. Lord knows what else Snyder had in mind. A full on redemption was coming and then WB and Whedon fucked it up. Goddammit.
Murderman is always a bad take on the character. I enjoyed MoS (especially the action) but its clear that Snyder's approach to the DCEU was all wrong
I'm hopeful for Reeves rebooted Batman, especially if they recast and wipe away Batfleck as if it never happened.
I'm hopeful for Reeves rebooted Batman, especially if they recast and wipe away Batfleck as if it never happened.
Batman would never give up the mantle just because he saved the city from being nuked. There are still inmates running amok in Gotham because of complete anarchy. He doesn't care anymore or thinks the police will take care of it? That scene where he fakes his death never made sense to me.
This is the worst thing Nolan ever did. I would have preferred if Batman never retired but Bruce went full on recluse and no one saw him because he was being Batman every waking moment
He did it so he wouldn't be asked to do another. It's clear by the time TDKR came around, he was doing it because he felt obligated and it shows. Whether that is due to being over it or his initial plans being impossible with the passing of Ledger, who knows, but you could tell he just wanted to be done.
Yeah, I posted this a few days ago after viewing the New Rockstars post credit break down video. They had cam footage (but only showed stills), though they didn't have the full paper in view. There's another paper that talks about Superman saving some workers too?Not sure how people get clean versions of it... and won't question it but since Wan shared
Can't blame her if true... I mean he's getting his own sequel unlike that bum Superman.Not sure how people get clean versions of it... and won't question it but since Wan shared
Dark Knight Rises had many weird decisions. I liked what they did with Bane, but went in weird directions with Bruce. He's supposed to be utterly destroyed physically from six active months of being Batman (this never goes anywhere), has a crippled leg which he can fix completely with super technology (so many why's here), his fixation on Catwoman - the only explanation I can come up with why he let her go was because she was hot, when Batmen finally meets Bane why didn't he throw batarangs which make people unconscious? Bane's not covered head to toe in body armour so it can work.
For real.
It's either Spiderverse or Aquaman for my favourite superhero movie of the year, but Spiderverse might edge it out just a bit.
Probably shouldn't say this.... in a DC thread, but Aquaman came in 5th for the year for me.
Boo this man.
What's ahead of Aquaman?
Feel like Black Panther is in there somewhere too.
Drop Deadpool and add Black Panther.
It was a really strong year for them!
Oh damn I forgot that came out this year. I'd imagine itd be instead of deadpool 2.
Personally mine would be Spiderverse, Aquaman, IW, BP and Deadpool 2.
Still need to watch Teen Titans.
You should! Teen Titans was the surprise of the year for me, went in there expecting another trash movie like Lego Batman 2 and came out pleasantly surprised.
Mine would be Spiderverse, Aquaman, Incredibles 2, Deadpool 2 and Teen Titans.
IW and Ant-Man both last.
Ahead of Aquaman?
Teen Titans Go to the Movies, Spider-Verse, and Black Panther sure.
Infinity War I mentally put elsewhere, because it functions as an emotional coda to everything MCU, not really it's own thing.
Aquaman>Infinity War>Deadpool 2>Teen Titans go to the movies>Black Panther>Venom>>>>>>>>>>>Antman and the Wasp (boy they dropped the ball with this one)
I havent seen Spider-Man and I probably wont until it comes out on 4K Bluray so i cant comment on it.
I havent seen Spider-Man and I probably wont until it comes out on 4K Bluray so i cant comment on it.
Yeah should correct myself, Aquaman is tied for 4th with Infinity War
Because Infinity War is such a hard thing to really wrap my head around. As a movie, it's actually one of the weakest of the year. So many different threads it needs to manage... and it doesn't always work, characters disappear for large chunks of the movie and the ending while emotional for some, rang hallow... it's like the death of Superman in BvS, you know it won't stick.
My list in terms of pure enjoyment and the experience
IW>Spider-Verse>Aquaman>DP2>Black Panther>Ant-Man 2>Teen Titans>Venom
My list in terms of achievements for which tech, representation, or other things that push the industry forward...
Black Panther>Spider-Verse>IW>Aquaman>then a tie for the rest.
IW>Spider-Verse>Aquaman>DP2>Black Panther>Ant-Man 2>Teen Titans>Venom
My list in terms of achievements for which tech, representation, or other things that push the industry forward...
Black Panther>Spider-Verse>IW>Aquaman>then a tie for the rest.
Infinity War is interesting because it's a movie that essentially requires you to do homework before you watch it or it's hard to get anything out of it. It's the first Avengers movie that doesn't have any time to catch the audience up because it has so much to juggle. The Russos were smart to make Thanos the main character as it gave the movie an arc to follow. That said, I wasn't surprised to hear both critics and many in the general audience didn't like it because it required them to watch movies they weren't interested in.
Going to see Aquaman today. Soon, I will join you under the seas.
Going to see Aquaman today. Soon, I will join you under the seas.
Infinity War really wasn't that good for me. It was messy, unfocused. Watching all the movies and following the entire universe doesn't suddenly make the movie good. The only decent thing about it was how ambitious it was. But that's not what makes a good movie good.
CWTV Elseworld's crossover crossed 90's Flash with Smallville with its own universe. That's helluva lot more ambitious than IW ever was.
As a dumb action movie that crossed over multiple movies while still creating a good narrative experience, the first Avengers is still the best movie by far. IW is nothing special.
CWTV Elseworld's crossover crossed 90's Flash with Smallville with its own universe. That's helluva lot more ambitious than IW ever was.
As a dumb action movie that crossed over multiple movies while still creating a good narrative experience, the first Avengers is still the best movie by far. IW is nothing special.
I did really like Infinity War but the ending was kinda meh for what you said Penguin. We know they're all gonna be back anyway so it lessens the blow.
When I left the theatre for IW, I was mad.
Because the whole snapping sequel was so emotional and I choked a bit up on that, then Spider-Man went away and like a second after I realized that he has a movie upcoming. That took me out hard.
But on a rewatch with having that in mind, it just worked better and I very much enjoyed it.
Because the whole snapping sequel was so emotional and I choked a bit up on that, then Spider-Man went away and like a second after I realized that he has a movie upcoming. That took me out hard.
But on a rewatch with having that in mind, it just worked better and I very much enjoyed it.
As a standalone movie in its own right, IW falls flat.
As a pop culture experience you had to be a part of, it was amazing.
That said, I have a load of friends who just don't fuck with MCU like that. Yet even mediocrity like Justice League gets their attention. They hated it, but still - a good Batman movie will have them in the theatres.
As a pop culture experience you had to be a part of, it was amazing.
That said, I have a load of friends who just don't fuck with MCU like that. Yet even mediocrity like Justice League gets their attention. They hated it, but still - a good Batman movie will have them in the theatres.
I've been hearing about this a lot. What is the context of this scene? From what everyone's talking about, I'm imagining a jazz band or something made up of sea creatures?
Yo. Infinity War is easily the best CBM this year and is probably on my top 5 comic book movies of all time. And Black Panther WAS my favorite MCU movie up until IW came out. Disney really hit it out of the park with those two back after back. I'd rank Fishboy #3 favorite this year but I have yet to see Antman & Spiderverse.
The shot is literally a few seconds long. From how people were talking you'd think they went full musical and sang 'Under the Sea' or something.
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