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David Wise is still one of the best composers to ever exist in gaming ( DK series )
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It's up to wise to set the record straight. The onus of divining whether he's a racist chud "deep down in his soul" should be on him, no one else
People don't like and follow all that trash on Twitter without being trash themselves, and unless someone's actually passing meaningful judgement on the man (e.g. whether he should live/die/go to jail), then making that (minuscule) leap of logic is fine
Now I legit want something like a Donkey Kong game by Square or something, just to get more music like this. Someone make this happen please.
I'm a vegan bisexual part black part pakistani woman who was very much into metal in her teens so as you can imagine that has actually happened countless times and it didn't suck in the slightest for me. I don't understand this thinking that the people whose work you like have to be likeable as well for you to enjoy their work. Björk has been one of my favorite artists for well over 20 years at this point and I've always found her to be completely insufferable as a person from day one (not in a problematic way, she's just a pretentious elitist asshole). As long as the work itself isn't problematic it really doesn't bother me and this narrative that any work of art is an extension of the artist's ethos by definition is completely untrue... the pyramids of Giza aren't pro-slavery, The Gold Rush isn't a pro-pedophilia film (and Thriller isn't a pro-pedophilia album either) and a Tale of Two Cities isn't pro-racism despite their respective authors being respectively very much for those things. Feel free to do as you please when it comes to your own personal choices, of course, but it's really hard to maintain a conversation regarding anything involving anyone even slightly problematic in this place as some people can't help but attempt to constantly sabotage it.
Just to clarify, if I operated like this, I'd quickly find myself not able to enjoy practically anything, the vegan part alone would immediately render almost everything trash as I personally find animal activism to be nearly as important as many of the more pressing social issues we're currently trying to deal with so going by this logic most of Era would be scum as well. I'm very much what some would pejoratively call a "sjw", but I see no value or need in these campaigns to paint anyone who thinks differently from us as undesireables and irredeemable trash. If their work isn't problematic I say let them keep their backwards ass ways of thinking if that's what pleases them, that should be an inalienable right regardless of how stupid your beliefs are... this widespread need to completely purge these individuals and every single thing they've ever created from the conversation bothers me immensely and is too similar to book burning style "everyone who doesn't fit the mold must be swept under the rug" campaigns for comfort for me personally.
In general I think that likes on Twitter, which are just a single click, are a terrible indicator to call someone a bad human. It would be one thing if Wise was constantly liking far right stuff, but as I see it, this looks like five or so tweets over several years that he has liked. Maybe they are reflective of his political views, but maybe he just tapped the heart accidentally (I sometimes do while scrolling; I think I always noticed and removed that like then, but I know first hand that it can happen).
That being said, Wise is a brilliant composer and I always look forward to any new soundtrack of his.
That being said, Wise is a brilliant composer and I always look forward to any new soundtrack of his.
What's going on here? I've had a random person respond to my tweet asking David Wise if he supports BLM and LGBTQ rights in a super negative way... yet going by their profile, is supporting both:
You think they'd be all for this?
You think they'd be all for this?
If you want to listen to the real world inspiration David Wise used for the DKC music (and Star Fox Adventures), take a listen to Vangelis. You won't be disappointed.
Someone alerted me that Grant Kirkhope actually still chats with JonTron on twitter, and sadly that seems to be the case, even well after that shit about Jon being racist came out (to the point where Playtonic thankfully cut ties with him immediately).
That's... not good, not good at all...
I'm aware that folks like PBG and TheCompletionist are still happily friends with him, but still, this hurts more. :/ And Grant's vocally pro-BLM so it's not like he agrees with his shit.
That's... not good, not good at all...
I'm aware that folks like PBG and TheCompletionist are still happily friends with him, but still, this hurts more. :/ And Grant's vocally pro-BLM so it's not like he agrees with his shit.
Recently found he pretty much lifted Antarctica for the snow level in DKC2 (although supposedly wasn't meant to be used in the final game). Has he done the same for other Vangelis pieces too? lol. He has good taste at least, unsurprisingly!
Right? Another user responded hoping that he doesn't respond and said "fight against equity, fight for equality"... HELLO!?
That's from my thread :P
Straight up lifted? Other than the Antartica theme, no. Heavily inspired in the style and instrumentation? Yes!
David coming back for tropical freeze was a dream come true and it exceeded my expectations
this song alone evokes so much of his legacy but in a new track
this song alone evokes so much of his legacy but in a new track
He has basically sampled that song by Phil Collins, and, by a lesser degree, Night on a Bald Mountain.
You complained about about "cancel culture" and a lack of receipts and then ignored the thread when you were given them.
Not going to give your thoughts now?
You too. You were replied to.
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Youre on my ignore list. And you will remain there.
Holy shit.
lmao
It's always so transparent with some of you. Every single time.
You ask for findings, you were given results....and your response is to ignore the person giving you results and making this shitty ass post?
This appears to make you uncomfortable. It's extremely clear his views on the matter - you don't need to ask someone explicitly if they are racist. Context is discernible and holds weight.
I assumed you would have known this.
Thats a hot take. I never asked him, i asked Nepenthe. Maybe dont jump to conclusions so fast. Ive been ignoring that poster for awhile.
Before this thread gets closed, is there a version of this video where they keep the vibe of the first 35 seconds? That first 35 seconds before all of the other instruments kick in gave me the same vibes of a Kingdom Hearts intro and it was really cool.
Bigotry makes me uncomfortable, yes.
Regarding asking David Wise, I assume people have tried talking to him about this matter, and I see someone here reached out -- definitely interested to see where that goes.
I will still enjoy listening to his music either way, but it will definitely be a bummer if the man behind the music is not as compassionate as his music would suggest.
I just did a quick search to see if I missed something and it looks like he and I have never had a single exchange.
I have a very strong feeling he put me on ignore because I often recap the CDPR transphobia issues in Cyberpunk threads.
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This is a great find.. sounds pretty similar in some parts.
Heh. I did see that and decided to count it as "not a single exchange" because it was so insignificant that there was no way he put me on ignore for it.
Unless he was really offended that I forgot a scene in The Walking Dead. It's possible!
(But as far as I'm concerned, it's pretty obvious what his deal is.)
This is also very possible.
See, I'm only awake at the moment because inconsiderate people were being loud, so imagine that you're half awake and you decide to go into a random thread and you run into some forum drama except the drama doesn't actually exist.
One of my favourite moments in my editing career was creating the trailers for Tamarin, which featured Wise's music! I love his music and for the trailers I had to remix/re-edit his music to fit the trailer. Which is a sin, of course! But it had to be done to create the right flow for the trailers :D That soundtrack is godly, and I've never been more honoured to do that!
This must be what Buzz Aldrin felt like returning from the moon
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Had to see who it was lol. Also on mine.
Who keeps private messaging me their notes for Japanese translations and analyses of old games then
This sounds like the DKC2 mine theme, swamp theme and woods theme had a baby, but I'm guessing this song predates DKC2 and Wise was inspired by this?
A reply is coming soon, I'm sure.
(I'm going to guess it's another Cyberpunk-related thing.)
Either that or your avatar brings back traumatizing memories from SkiFree