"granted immunity"
the phrasing is so telling. Like a crime. Like a judge
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David Benioff and D.B. Weiss to make first public appearance since GOT ending @ final GoT Comic Con panel. [Update: Appearance Canceled]
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"granted immunity"
the phrasing is so telling. Like a crime. Like a judge
Damn. I was hoping they'd go on stage and shit talk an entitled fanbase for an hour to a chorus of boos. Any type of Q&A was going to be embarrassing hot take central.
GoT fanbase got way too embarrassing at the end regardless of the quality of the show.
GoT fanbase got way too embarrassing at the end regardless of the quality of the show.
While I do agree that it's nice if creators respected their fans and offer explanations, at some point artistic choice is artistic choice and there's nothing else anyone can really do about it. At most, they would shrug their shoulders and say, "this is the way we felt it should end". People are free to call them hack writers, but fans have to cut their loss at some point and realize that they're not going to get anything out of this. Given the response they've received, I'm sure D&D heard everything loud and clear already.
With that said, I'm not sure why they would've agreed to this to begin with.
Yeah let's blame the showrunners for this cancellation instead of the millions and millions of raging, entitled whiny assholes on the internet who want to role play as Tom Cruise from A Few Good Men.
I don't think that's going to be my reaction for when that happens. More like a sad facepalming expression.Imagine the hate after they will screw up SW even more than now.
The fact you think the Mad Queen Dany plotline took place in a single episode and wasn't forshadowed all season long and even hinted at in previous seasons shows me just how far apart we are from agreeing or finding common ground. So like I said before. Agree to disagree.
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👏👏👏👏👏 Well said. No wonder they didn't want to perform. No one would.
I was talking about my reaction about the manbabies crying on the internet and threatening the people in charge.
The ending was disappointing but this is ridiculous. Certain fans really need to grow up and get actual lives.
They had the number of episodes they wanted to make well before they were asked to do Star Wars. The two things were not related.
The first time they announced GoT would end around 70 episodes was in May 2015. TFA wasn't released until December. B&W announced their Confederate show in 2017, they probably hadn't agreed to do Star Wars until after that controversy.
Honestly I agree with you about the coster waldau incident and think that's a far better example to use. But using some curse words on an internet forum and thinking the writers should give an explanation as to what happened doesnt really come close to any kind of behavior i would consider worrisome.
Oh the audacity of having a q and a with the showrunners for the final season of the most popular tv show in the world at a popular culuture convention
Oh how will the rich white men continue to survive after being asked questions about a tv show. They must be protected from the savagery of nerds dressed as the khaleesi
Please miss me with this shit
My bad. I didn't realize they deserved a bunch of whiny babies screaming at them because they were white dudes. Carry on.
Thank God they cancelled.
They're better off, forget entertaining the angry nerds crying about "u kil muh khaleesi! prepur 2 die".
They're better off, forget entertaining the angry nerds crying about "u kil muh khaleesi! prepur 2 die".
Have you ever actually seen a comic con panel or are you just imagining a horde of people just jumping on to the stage and screaming in their faces
Only white dudes would think shit like Confederate are good idea
When it became one of their next projects. You dont think people are going to wonder about it after all of the dumb racially insensitive shit they did even in season 8 of game of thrones?
People really take their fictional stories seriously these days. Like holy shit, calm down its all made up.
This thread really is sticking to made up narrative that "crazed fanboiiis would be just lurking in bushes with baseball bats and shitty questions to hurt D&D anyways and nothing else" huh?
Even if we take step back and just say argument is that writers / showrunners shouldn't need to face any Q&A about their productions from their fans then why to have any panels like this for fans? For anything, ever if writers are beyond reproach?
Even if we take step back and just say argument is that writers / showrunners shouldn't need to face any Q&A about their productions from their fans then why to have any panels like this for fans? For anything, ever if writers are beyond reproach?
I don't get your point.
You think asking questions at a panel is the same as lobbing criticism and or shooting expletive?
It's not supposed to be an exam or an inquisition or something.
Panels like this exist to market the product and stroke the egos of the people responsible. There's no more product to market and the egos weren't going to be done any favors.
The panel never made sense to announce in the first place because of these reasons. Somebody must have really thought the bubble of people who hated this season loudly on social media didn't cross over with the likely attendees of SDCC, and that's an astonishingly poor read of the situation.
It's a post-mortem Q&A for a entertainment product people paid money for. People, who are also paying to be at Comic-Con, are well within their rights to ask them whatever they want as long as they aren't rude about it.
"Did you watch X-Men: The Last Stand and think that would be a great way to end the Jon/Dany storyline?" would be kind of rude.
Yes, exactly.
I don't know why anyone think these panels are the place that entertainment figures should face criticism.
Kinda like e3 when you have audience asking questions.
Like I'm sure the "Is this a joke?" from Diablo mobile is fun and all but I don't think anyone expects a q&a panel on the people who made GoT to just be about people bitching about the end.
Seriously it's not why the panel was set up.
90% of the discussions on this forum can be boiled down to "it's just a tv show/movie/video game". Bringing this up because there is a large amount of criticisms being levied at one of the biggest shows of all time ever is beyond silly, here of all places. Its a nothing statement that's dismissive of any conversation revolving around criticism.
If these guys are getting legit death threats and/or are being subjected to constant personal attacks because people don't like their handling of a TV show about dragons and zombies, then yes, it is entirely appropriate to inject some basic perspective into the discussion. I will happily dismiss any and all criticisms of a work of fiction before being okay with actual human beings getting attacked over it.
Ok?
People should be dismissive of what passes as criticism in many of these discussions. It's a lot of people making shitty comments and continuing to act like either 1) they're still owed something, or 2) something needs to happen so that writers are "held accountable".
It's insane. It's insane that someone told you a story, and you didn't like it, and your reaction to that is thinking that someone needs to be "held accountable". It's people telling stories! No crime was committed. It's people making up dragon stories to entertain people, and they came up short. That is not an offense that needs to be dwelled upon and repeatedly relitigated.
Do you people act like this with friends and family? Like, if your cousin tells you a joke, and you don't think it's funny, do you walk around acting like you're owed an apology?
At this point I'd be more interested in listening to a panel of show runners/producers/writers discuss their personal views of GOT season 8 and what lessons they took from it. The GOT cast and D&D have already been racked over the coals, there isn't anything more to gain from them. So, to that end, I'd like to hear from other creative types in the industry to hear their views and how they are implementing the lessons learned so that their show doesn't run into the same problems.
Edit- to be clear, I mean show runners/producers/writers who were not involved in GOT.
Edit- to be clear, I mean show runners/producers/writers who were not involved in GOT.
Hypothetical death threats notwithstanding, were using extremes to act like the entirety of criticisms being used here and fans wanting D&D to talk about the ending is tantamount to death threats and other toxic behavior. Which at least here isnt happening and I havent read anything so extreme like the examples youre giving in most places either.
People wanting to hear their thought processes and decision making isnt the same as people wanting to hold a public stoning of these individuals.
"Someone told you a story" as if this was handed out for free on street corners.
Paying money to watch a show doesn't mean you're owed satisfaction, it means you're owed getting to see a show. Grow up.
And in turn said show runners publicly airing show for all to see means they can listen to criticism about it. Thats the thing about making your art public, you open yourself and the art up for feedback, both positive and negative
You're free to give your feedback, but they're not obligated to listen. They were paid by HBO to write a show and they did. End of story.
Lol have you people ever watched SDCC panels for popular shows before. These things are only about the guests fucking around and telling the audience how awesome everything is.
They're the last place I would expect actual criticism to be addressed especially the shitshow of epic magnitude that was GoT's ending. If you want that stuff you'll have to wait for books and interviews. Those will most likely occur years later.
They're the last place I would expect actual criticism to be addressed especially the shitshow of epic magnitude that was GoT's ending. If you want that stuff you'll have to wait for books and interviews. Those will most likely occur years later.
It's a consumer product. People have a right to complain about the quality of it.
They seems like an utter waste of time for all involved then.