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Dave Chappelle Netflix Standup Trailer: Sticks & Stones (narrated by God)
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I understand where you are coming from.
For curiosity, are you white?
He literally told a much better version of that joke like 15 years ago....
I gotta say, Dave has definitely lost some bite acting all edgy while saying the same shit probably 85% of stand up comics say. No one gives a fuck about Louis CK not being popular anymore, y'all are rich as fuck.
Nothing in the last two stand ups come close to the Bill Cosby bit.
This seriously can't be overstated.
Too many professional comedian jokes is just really standard "locker room talk" that you hear sitting round with any group of random men and hardly laugh out loud funny. Acting like it's oh so brave to make jokes about trans people is really weak, to me.
Just finished it, Chappelle does not hold back in this special at all. The way he structures he's jokes and the narrative he creates demonstrates how much of a comedic genius this guy is. I loved it. I think he's largely misunderstood since most people take he's jokes at face value and that makes them feel some kind of way. He's literally the only comedian in the industry that can discuss these topics and still make people laugh, it's insane.
Edit: epilogue is also really good.
Edit: epilogue is also really good.
Yes.
And part of what was always unique about Chappelle, from a white person's perspective, at least in in his earlier years(and even in his two recent shows to an extent) was his ability to communicate, on multiple levels, intellectually, emotionally, and almost subconsciously the inequities in our cultural dynamics in this country. Often through ways you never think. Mostly in a way that positively affected and got people that I wouldn't even have expected to empathize and see those issues they were oblivious to.
And in a special like this he almost takes those talents and focuses them in on trying to keep normalized the very sort of cultural inequities he once subverted to great success in his younger years. Whereas his comedy was never without problems when judged through contemporary eyes, it was at the time several steps ahead of the cultural curve in mainstream comedy, whereas today it seems like he is fighting to preserve where things were several steps ago.
And honestly, the only reason I hold Chappelle to a standard like this is because he lifted himself to a standard few comedians have ever reached and seeing someone fall from that is more jarring than someone like Anthony Jesselnik or Bill Burr declining in their craft. Who have never reached that level.
...Again though, all that said, still better than 90% out there. And I feel like focusing in on this misrepresents my overall feeling of the special, which was solid.
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Some of this show was really really good but unfortunately a significant chunk was really REALLY terrible. The trans stuff he did in this special were just him being a dick for the sake of being a dick. He's better than that, punching down doesn't suit him at all.
I've watched the previous Netflix specials multiple times, but I think this is definitely a one and done situation. I'll have to check out the epilogue and see if that's better.
I've watched the previous Netflix specials multiple times, but I think this is definitely a one and done situation. I'll have to check out the epilogue and see if that's better.
The first half of the special is kinda rough and not that funny, but then the last half and the epilogue turn things around and we're back to classic dave.
I can safely say that I'm done with Chappelle after this one. I'm almost sad he came back. I would have preferred remembering him as he was rather than... this.
I love Chappelle. The epilogue was really good and it was nice to see him tell the background kind of where his head is at. The set they had in it was good too. The actual show for sure was meant to stir the pot and piss off some people, but overall I enjoyed the show. Not his best material, but more enjoyable than the last show he released on Netflix (I think).
Got it.
I'm black, and I asked about you been white because sometimes, among my white friends, or random posts on internet (including Era), if the person is white and left wing, or part of a group fighting against the right wing and conservatives, it seems like something is missing on translation when someone bring up hipocrisy and white privilege in a non-straight-male group, like Chappelle have been doing with his latest specials.
In most recent years, at the same time it was amazing to see oppressed people in general get into platforms and find ways to raise the voice and bring awareness to issues, it's also easy to spot how most of these voices still very white when the topic is not about racism. And this reflects on how the conversations are progressing, how issues are heard, how it is solved, how moderation on internet platforms works, even on Era. Because of that, I started to dig black feminism channels and debates, black LGBTQ channels, instead of open groups, and some stories are really awful to hear, how white feminists and white LGBTQ still treat black people. We like to think everyone holds hands together in the same boat, but that's not happening. Even during elections, the major voice of progressives, Bernie, has answers to issues that affect women and LGBTQ groups, but when asked about issues that affects directly and only blacks, he has no answers ready.
That said, I understand where most of criticism on Chappelle is coming from, but I think most of this criticism still coming from white people, and some of his metaphors and pokes about white privilege are lost in translation. And I think it would be really nice to see criticism coming from black LGBTQ, black feminists, that are involved on debates about white supremacy on their own groups.
I mean, where's the white privilege in thinking that trans joke about being a Chinese person inside could've been done by a (white) radio shock jock in 1998? That shit was cornball as hell.
The alphabet car was a good, insightful bit and then he had to ruin it all with the chinaman part at the end. Completely tone deaf, not to mention unintelligent, which is not a quality I associated with Dave in the past.
Just finished it,
I had a good laugh but I understand why some wouldn't like it but eh, i'm a Gen X.
I actually found the Post-Credit 20 minutes portion where he talks with the audience to be more quite interesting
I had a good laugh but I understand why some wouldn't like it but eh, i'm a Gen X.
I actually found the Post-Credit 20 minutes portion where he talks with the audience to be more quite interesting
Just finished it. From start to finish I was dying.
Netflix needs to extend their deal with him, I'm not sure how much specials he has left but I'm not ready for it to end.
Netflix needs to extend their deal with him, I'm not sure how much specials he has left but I'm not ready for it to end.
Great story. Too bad the special didn't have more of that level of story telling.
it really is dave at his best. he's an exceptional storyteller
I'm not "offended" but it just was... lacking a perspective? His last set of specials, especially the one at the Comedy Store, were funny and interesting because he really had a perspective he was speaking from. The idea of Apartheid and "imperfect allies" was absolutely fascinating, even if it was peppered with jokes about Louis dick.
This time... it was just... "I'm an attack helicopter" and "LGTBQ alphabet soup" - which felt behind the times already. As a Canadian I know it's 2SLGBTQQIA++ ... and there is definitely more alphabet material in there.
This time... it was just... "I'm an attack helicopter" and "LGTBQ alphabet soup" - which felt behind the times already. As a Canadian I know it's 2SLGBTQQIA++ ... and there is definitely more alphabet material in there.
How are you guys getting this epilogue? I watched the entire thing from start to finish, credits and all, and I didn't get that. It just stops and recommends me other movies...
Region you're in?
Here in Canada, after the end of the special, Netflix has the epilogue recommended next
All the praise I'm seeing Chappelle get here is really disappointing. Reading what he says in it, just, what the fuck. He doesn't sound any better than a random Twitter edgelord, but he knows how to be funny while being one so it's considered okay I guess. Ugh.
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Like seriously. The MJ stuff. The Anthony Bourdian stuff. The transphobic stuff. Just so much garbage and mean-spited-ness. Disappointing is definitely a word.
If anyone who is transgender, a victim of sexual assault or harassment, or has they themselves suffered from depression/suicidal ideation, or anyone else who identifies with any of the messed up stuff he joked about is reading this thread and totally bummed out by some of these reactions, I get you, but also know that nonetheless there are people out there that love you and your life has value and worth and there are people like me out there sending you all the love we can, and that pieces of garbage like this ain't worth it because no matter what they might say, you're you and that's enough and you're absolutely worth all the love in the world no matter what anyone else may say and I'm wishing for both the best possible now and future for you that I can. <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
U.S.
I found it. There was a website that had a link to it from Netflix and I was able to get it to play.
That's rather presumptuous. It couldn't just be that we're fans of his stand-up — we can't voice our enjoyment of watching something without it being secretly meant to harm others?
I don't assume that when people dislike something I enjoy that they're trying to target me. That just seems myopic and paranoid.
I feel there are a lot of perspectives out there, including plenty from those groups you named, I'm really just offering thoughts. As that is all I can do.
He's a brilliant comedic artist from a technical standpoint, no doubt about it. Few have ever done it better. But for me, unfortunately, it now comes with a person behind it that has largely lost touch with what made him more than just a technically good comedian. At least to me...And I think for others too.
For me it was almost like two separate shows. The back end was classic Chappelle. The guy in his element talking about social dynamics that were very front and center when he was coming up in the comedy world. Where he often surprised in his acts with incredibly thought-provoking elements peppered into crowd-pleasing bits that subverted expectations and would articulate perspectives from marginalized people in a unique and empathy inducing way. While the first half was a guy to me that applied little of that thought process once central to his acts, demonstrating not just an apathy to the social justice inflection points that came after that period he came up in, but almost hostility at times. A guy that instead of examining his own blindspots coming up, something he was incredibly adept at getting others to see in his heyday, he is now the curmudgeon comedian trying to justify his blindspots in an almost manipulative fashion at times.
Curmudgeonly. Wow, that's exactly the word to describe the first half.
When the "jokes" you laugh at and praise make fun of trans people, and are actively harmful towards them, and when you continue to praise even though the harm he does has been explained here, I think it's pretty fair to assume you don't care much for trans people.
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I'm sorry to be the first to inform you that stanning transphobic garbage is going to attract a sideeye or two from transpeople. It's really not that hard a concept that words have meaning, hardly a secret.
Go ahead and call it a character flaw of mine, justify it however you want as long as you spare me the same phony rhetoric that bigotted garbage is somehow something other than bigotted garbage if it's on a stage and told as a joke.
if it's true that Chappelle in fact does still stan for MJ
i'm going to take a wild guess and say he thinks this way because he has no interest in watching the HBO doc or opening his mind to the possibility that Jackson did these things. he doesn't believe the accusers because he probably didn't even listen to the accusers. he doesn't wanna lose his perception of MJ.
If that's true, he's still redeemable imo.
if however, he watched the doc with an open mind and heard the accusers and came away from it thinking, "nope, this is bs"
well, fuck him.
i'm going to take a wild guess and say he thinks this way because he has no interest in watching the HBO doc or opening his mind to the possibility that Jackson did these things. he doesn't believe the accusers because he probably didn't even listen to the accusers. he doesn't wanna lose his perception of MJ.
If that's true, he's still redeemable imo.
if however, he watched the doc with an open mind and heard the accusers and came away from it thinking, "nope, this is bs"
well, fuck him.
Not at all surprising to see so many people praising this (and previous shows) of a transphobic sack of shit.
Some of the shit he says wouldn't be out of place coming from a GOP, trump loving senator.
But apparently it's okay because he makes you laugh. Sigh... Everyone PRETENDS to care until it affects something they like. Just like THQ Nordic on gaming side.
Some of the shit he says wouldn't be out of place coming from a GOP, trump loving senator.
But apparently it's okay because he makes you laugh. Sigh... Everyone PRETENDS to care until it affects something they like. Just like THQ Nordic on gaming side.
Ok special. 6/10. The LGBT car bit is some old social commentary and probably wasnt as insightful as dave thought it was. It dragged on.
How is that justification for shitting on other marginalized people?
Because racism exists it's cool to be transphobic?